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@MA22 Ok! So now I am a Permanent Resident.聽 聽Let the Clubbing begin.

Roddie in Retirement

@easygoer1050

You do not need the actual card, just the protocolo that you will receive it. But this is only for a poupanca (deposit) account... no credit cards, etc!

06/28/24聽 聽 @MA22 Ok! So now I am a Permanent Resident.聽 聽Let the Clubbing begin.
Roddie in Retirement-@roddiesho

All done then?聽 Congratulations!!!!!!

@abthree Finally! I am hearing different versions of when I get the ID card or whatever it is named. My wife said that we are coming back (FP) to Forteleza in 3 weeks. I hear others say 3 months. I told her about the meet-up and it seemed to be at the time both of us go to pick up the ID?

Roddie in Retirment

@abthree Dear Abthree,

i am parent of Brazilian child and was rejected normal visit visa. is it a good idea to apply for family reunion vitem xiii visa next time? i live in UAE and my child is with me聽

07/21/24聽 聽 @abthree Dear Abthree,i am parent of Brazilian child and was rejected normal visit visa. is it a good idea to apply for family reunion vitem xiii visa next time? i live in UAE and my child is with me聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 -@n_ali

You won't qualify for a VITEM XIII visa, which is limited to citizens of MERCOSUL countries.聽 As the parent of a Brazilian child, you should be able to obtain a VITEM XI Family Unification visa if both your documents and your child's are all in order.聽

The best thing for you to do would be to contact the Brazilian Embassy in Kuwait City, which handles Brazil's consular relations in the Gulf area, tell them that you're the father of a Brazilian child and want to bring you child back to Brazil and raise him/her there, and ask how to proceed.聽 Provide the birth date, birth location , and CPF of your child, or passport number if there is no CPF:聽 any information you have that will help them to identify your child.

@abthree good detailed reaponse聽

thank you Dear Abthree

A quick post for anyone here who might be struggling to schedule with the Policia Federal, like I was for a few days: ask the unit you're applying at how to schedule. I hadn't heard of any others doing this, but the one where I'm at opens appointments on the Sistema de Agendamento, daily in the morning, where available, so I had to check every 5 minutes or so, from 8AM to 10AM. I just got one for tomorrow earlier this morning, and am praying everything will go smoothly. I have all the documents on the list plus a ton of random extra ones, so I hope the PF is satisfied...

Well, an update for anyone trying this process: at least my local Policia Federal will NOT take an AirBnB contract as 'other proof' for a uni茫o est谩vel. They also will not accept witnesses/testemunhas that are not notarized. They ALSO may ask for Brazillian background checks.

I'm going back next week with my name added to my husband's life insurance, more background checks, and will run around town getting signatures verified by cartorios. Wild.

@amelie2301

You may just visit your local Cart贸rio and register a stable union contract. it's less complicated and PF would accept it with ease! It's gonna cost you approx. R$500-600 and you will walk away with your document the same day in most of the situation.

@Nomad Mundo

This is actually *with* the contract. They still want all these additional documents.

08/02/29聽 聽 Well, an update for anyone trying this process: at least my local Policia Federal will NOT take an AirBnB contract as 'other proof' for a uni茫o est谩vel. They also will not accept witnesses/testemunhas that are not notarized. They ALSO may ask for Brazillian background checks.
I'm going back next week with my name added to my husband's life insurance, more background checks, and will run around town getting signatures verified by cartorios. Wild.聽 聽

聽 聽 -@amelie2301

Hi, amelie2301.聽 I'm unclear on your basis of applying for residency:聽 is it uni茫o est谩vel, or marriage?聽 If marriage, were you married in a cart贸rio?

@abthree

Uni茫o est谩vel, with a escritura p煤blica signed by me, my partner, my lawyer, and my translator. I guess using the word "husband" is a bit confusing since we aren't "married" per se, but it feels the most appropriate.

08/02/24 Uni茫o est谩vel, with a escritura p煤blica signed by me, my partner, my lawyer, and my translator. I guess using the word "husband" is a bit confusing since we aren't "married" per se, but it feels the most appropriate.聽 聽 聽 聽 -@amelie2301

Got it -- thanks!聽 So, these are the documents that you should need:

鈥⒙� 聽 Own application, using an electronic form duly completed on the PF website (MigranteWeb);

鈥⒙� 聽 Valid travel document or official identity document (Passport, no apostille or Sworn Translation required);

鈥⒙� 聽 Birth or marriage certificate or consular certificate, when the travel document or official identity document does not contain data on filiation (observing the applicable translation legalization rules -- i.e,, apostille and Sworn Translation);

鈥⒙� 聽 Criminal record certificates or equivalent document issued by the competent judicial authority where you have resided for the last five years (observing the applicable translation and legalization rules); apostille and Sworn Translation for foreign documents, Brazilian documents should be accepted as-is;

鈥⒙� 聽 Birth or marriage certificate to prove the relationship between the applicant and the Brazilian or immigrant beneficiary of a residence permit, or a suitable document that proves the link (observing the applicable translation and legalization rules); this includes your escritura p煤blica of your uni茫o est谩vel from the cart贸rio;

鈥⒙� 聽 Identity document of the Brazilian or immigrant beneficiary of a residence permit, whom the applicant wishes to join;

鈥⒙� 聽 Declaration, under penalty of law, that the sponsoring family member (鈥淐hamante鈥�) resides in Brazil;

鈥⒙� 聽 Proof of the stable union between the applicant and the Brazilian or immigrant beneficiary of a residence permit, when applicable; the escritura p煤blica聽 should be enough;

鈥⒙� 聽 Joint declaration by spouses or partners, under penalty of law, regarding the continuity of effective union and cohabitation;

鈥⒙� 聽 Proof of payment of residence permit fees (revenue code 140066, value R$168.13) and CRNM issuance (revenue code 140120, value R$204.77), when applicable

鈥⒙� 聽 In case of unavailability of the Federal Police's biometric data collection system, 1 (one) recent 3x4 photo, color, white background, plain paper, from the front may be requested;

If your partner has proof of address and you're living together, that in combination with the escritura p煤blica of your uni茫o est谩vel and your declaration above should be accepted as verifying your address.聽 Your name on the insurance should help, as well.

That list is exactly what I presented to the Policia Federal where I am, and they told me I additionally needed the S茫o Paulo background checks, one of the listed extra proofs of the uni茫o est谩vel (life insurance, rental contract, etc), and also that I need to have my testemunhas verified by a cart贸rio. It seems like the official list is the basic necessities, but an individual PF unit or officer can say if they want more on top of it all. So next week my husband and I are going to head back with exactly those, and hope for the best. I am really, really stunned that the public deed, airbnb contracts, and multiple pieces of mail, as well as receipts from doctors under the same address, wasn't enough for them.

08/02/24 @amelie2301.聽 The S茫o Paulo document would be required regardless:聽 that's considered to be part of " Criminal record certificates or equivalent document issued by the competent judicial authority where you have resided for the last five years".聽 An AirB&B contract could always be problematic, because it's temporary housing by definition.聽

As for the other documents, you're right:聽 every case is a little different because the PF has an escape hatch in being authorized to request any additional documents that they consider necessary.聽 They seem to be focusing on the uni茫o est谩vel, which is to be expected, but you seem to be in good shape on that, so I'm hopeful for you.

Bem vindo a Brasil.

Did you see my thread where I noted some 70 PDF/word documents had to be created solely for moving permanently to Brasil this month ? And, I have had permanent residency since 2017.

Did you see my thread where I wired money from my joint acct here to my joint acct there, and the RF held it up because the concept of joint accounts confused them ?

Just smile and work though it. You'll be fine. Remember, everything here ends in pizza.

@amelie2301

I totally understand the way you are feeling, because we have all previously experienced comparable procedures and the absurd demands of PF.

Being a law student here, I can tell you that their request for a criminal record certificate is justifiable and you can download them online. however, their extra/further demand about Uni茫o Est谩vel is absurd and unfair, as it is an authentic document that adheres to the requirement of providing proof of a stable union, as prescribed by the law of L13.445/2017. In spite of fulfilling the requirements of the law, you could ask for a letter of justification from PF for the reason why you are being asked additional document other than the Uni茫o Est谩vel itself.

Nevertheless I think, your time, money, and energy are far more valuable than PF, I will advise you to just give them whatever they ask for. It is not worth wasting your time with them. Even if you initiate a lawsuit against them at DPU, they are only going to send you a letter of apologies. Considering they exclusively work on writing letters and asking sorry, they have millions of blank letters to write to everyone.!

@Nomad Mundo

That's what I decided too, just give them what they want. I have already been able to secure four out of the five documents (2x background check, 2x reconhecimento de firma), and my husband is just waiting to hear from HR on when the paperwork will be complete for adding me to insurance policies. Here's hoping this is the last of it!

@abthree, Cjeezy00716

@abthree, Cjeezy007 My timeline was approval June 24th. - Physical Card - August 2nd. (according to my wife it is ready now) Which makes it about 5 Weeks.

Roddie in Retirement

08/05/24聽 聽 @abthree, Cjeezy00716
聽 聽

聽 聽 -@roddiesho

Say, what? 馃ぃ

08/05/24聽 聽 @abthree, Cjeezy007 My timeline was approval June 24th. - Physical Card - August 2nd. (according to my wife it is ready now) Which makes it about 5 Weeks.
Roddie in Retirement-@roddiesho

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My husband and I successfully got my residency based on the Uni茫o Est谩vel granted today! The requirements not clearly listed on the webpage were these:

• two different S茫o Paulo background checks (tribunal de justi莽a and policia federal)
• the testemunhas must be verified por autenticidade by a cartorio

And for the secondary proof of the uni茫o est谩vel, they accepted me appearing as a beneficiary on my husband's work health insurance.

CRNM issuance time is about 3 months here in my city in S茫o Paulo.

So happy it all worked out!

Congrats !!

When I got my RNE back in 2017, the PF also made me do 2 adfitional things, which were not listed anywhere, on any website.

The PF agent gave me a list of documents, where it was mentioned those 3 background documents with link addresses (PF, State & Federal). She took me to CSC at the same Shopping Mall and I walked away with my CRNM protocol within 30 minutes. This should be the right way to assist migrants, who aren't familiar with the extremely complicated and beaurocatic system webbed by PF offices itself.

IMHO.... I got a decent official at my appointment which is certainly rare at PF offices.

@easygoer1050 It took me 5 weeks to get the physical card. If you have the time I would just wait.

I have an account with Banco Do Brazil that my wife helped me with off of her account and because she has contacts, including the manager, but when I tried to wire money there, they got it but could not pass it on to me because I was not "official"

Now that I have the card I can use it. I would just wait until there are no reasons for them to turn you down.

Roddie in Retirement

Hi Guys 馃憢

im new here

Im planning on moving to Brasil to the interior of Sao Paulo at the end of January from London England. im coming on a tourist visa and will be getting married when i arrive to my Brazilian girlfriend who i met in London. we have been together 3 years now. Ive been to Brasil x3 already in the last 3years so i know the culture and how things work (kind of).

i just need聽 help please in regards to getting married . you guys are experts in this field from reading your posts !!!

so when i submit my document鈥檚 at the Cort贸rio Registro Civil how long after will i be able to apply for a CRNM?

My documents all of them as i understand need to be Apostolado de haia such as :

* birth certificate

*criminial background check

* certificate of non impedIment

am i correct in this ?

please help would be most appreciated

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@abthree

hello is it possible you could help me please on a few questions ? im from London, England and plan on moving to Brasil at the end of january by getting married in the Cort贸rio .

would love to get your view

thanks Zain

@Union_jack Ok, so you did come to the right place. It took me well over a year to become a Brazilian Permanent Resident. These are a few things you may want to be aware of.

• It is undoubtedly going to take you a long time, especially if you still need to get married, so keep a sharp eye on your timing. This will NOT be completed during a Tourist Visa.

I'm from London, England and plan on moving to Brasil at the end of January by getting married in the Cort贸rio .

• To the best of my knowledge this does not guarantee you time in the country, so be aware of your ability to be in Brazil.
• Your best bet is to first consult with an Immigration Attorney. @abthree can assist you with more detail since this is not a specialty here and the first one, I got was extremely ineffective and wasted a lot of time.聽 I always recommend ensuring that the one you choose has ACUTAL EXPERIENCE in assisting with their client's immigration.

Good Luck

Roddie in Retirement

@roddiesho thanks i appreciate the response

@roddiesho also i spoke to a a solicitor here in london a brasilian one . she said i can go to policia Federal and get a 鈥漌aiver鈥� while my residency is being looked at , but will have go do that as soon as i land in sao paulo

@Union_jack I agree, but what that means is that if you have ALL the documents submitted for your Residency based on Family Reunion and they are reviewing them then, that will happen. The key part is having All your documents. In your case that will also include your marriage papers in a timely manner.

Roddie in Retirement

08/24/24聽 聽 @abthree
hello is it possible you could help me please on a few questions ? im from London, England and plan on moving to Brasil at the end of january by getting married in the Cort贸rio .
would love to get your view
thanks Zain聽 聽

聽 聽 -@Union_jack

Welcome, Zain!聽 Glad to be of assistance, as we all are.聽 Your plans are certainly doable, just understand that you'll be working under time constraints.聽 With planning (and a little bit of luck) you can get it all done in 90 days, which would be ideal.聽 As a UK citizen you'll be able to extend your stay with the Pol铆cia Federal for another 90 days, but complications may begin to develop with delays.聽 For example, the Pol铆cia Federal (PF) will want your British Criminal Background Check to be less than 90 days old when you apply for residency.聽 They'll still accept it if it's a little older, but the issue date should still be reasonably close.

You have two things to accomplish, and they must be done in sequence:聽 1. Get married; 2. apply for residency.聽 They can't be done simultaneously, because #1 is the basis for #2.聽 Some documents will be needed both for the cart贸rio to get married and at the Pol铆cia Federal to request residency later.聽 The best plan is always to have duplicate originals, with apostilles, for both whenever possible.聽 You can use the same Sworn Translations.

For getting married, you'll need these documents; each cart贸rio can be a little different, so your fianc茅e should confirm the list at the cart贸rio before you leave the UK:

Passport and visa

To register for marriage, foreigners must present their original passport with the entry stamp from Brazil at the registry office.

They can get married with either a tourist visa (Tourist Visa 鈥� VITUR) or a business visa (Temporary Business Visa 鈥� VITEM II). The visa must be valid throughout the marriage process, from the date of entry until the day of the ceremony.

The tourist or business visa is valid for 90 days, extendable for another 90 days. If the foreigner's country does not offer an extension of the visa to Brazilians, according to the diplomatic principle of reciprocity (Schengen Treaty), Brazil will also not offer an extension to the foreigner from that country in Brazil.

Required documents -- Single foreigners

Original legalized birth certificate translated by a sworn public translator in Brazil and registered at the Registry Office of Titles and Documents

Original legalized declaration of marital status translated by a sworn public translator in Brazil and registered at the Registry Office of Titles and Documents

Original passport with the entry stamp in Brazil (if the fianc茅(e) comes to Brazil to register the marriage)

Required documents -- Divorced foreigners

Original legalized divorce certificate translated by a sworn public translator in Brazil and registered at the Registry Office of Titles and Documents

Original legalized marriage certificate translated by a sworn public translator in Brazil and registered at the Registry Office of Titles and Documents

Original passport with the entry stamp in Brazil (if the fianc茅(e) comes to Brazil to register the marriage)

Required documents -- Widowed foreigners

Original legalized death certificate translated by a sworn public translator in Brazil and registered at the Registry Office of Titles and Documents

Original legalized marriage certificate translated by a sworn public translator in Brazil and registered at the Registry Office of Titles and Documents

Original passport with the entry stamp in Brazil (if the fianc茅(e) comes to Brazil to register the marriage)

Legalization of foreign documents

Due to Brazil's accession to the Hague Convention, foreign public documents will no longer be legalized by the Brazilian Consulate in the country of origin and will be legalized by authorized agencies for foreigners.聽 The UK is also a party to the Hague Convention, so apostilles from the appropriate British authorities will be accepted as legalization.

Full details can be found here:聽 聽 You should share this website with your fianc茅e.聽 If you read Portuguese it will be useful to consult it yourself.

Be aware that cart贸rios generally impose a 30 day waiting period between accepting the couple's application for marriage and performing the ceremony, so you want to get your request in as soon after your arrival in Brazil as possible.聽 Your fianc茅e may be able to determine in advance whether the cart贸rio will have any flexibility in this regard.聽 The cart贸rio will not marry you if you are in overstay status because your visa has expired during the waiting period, so if you're going to run over 90 days in Brazil and still unmarried, be sure to get an extension from the PF before your visa expires.

Sworn Translations must be prepared by a Brazilian Sworn Translator appointed by the Junta Comercial of a Brazilian state.聽 Sworn Translations can be ordered prior to your arrival based on scans of your documents, can be reused, and don't expire.

Once you have your Brazilian Marriage Certificate, you can apply to the PF for residency, presenting the documents detailed in the first post of this thread.聽

This sounds like a lot, but it's perfectly doable if you're organized and arrive ready to go.聽 Best of luck to you both!

@Union_Jack

If you're gonna get married, you are going to stay in Brasil, permanently, is that correct ? if so......

Then, you'll want to first look at integrating your plans together so that the required DATES line up, as it pertains to the various UK and Brasilian regulations which probably exist, in regards to moving ones assets tax free, and your tax obligations to another country.

For example, I as a Canadian, had to prove to their government, well in advance, to obtain a certificate that I had lived OUTSIDE of Brasil for at least 13 months before entering, and that I had not BEEN INSIDE of Brasil in the preceding year for over 35 days, etc. One of many little nuances to be aware of in the list of many hoops you must jump thru once you start digging.

Sounds like you are getting stuff apostililed in the UK already which is good, but, if you don't think a document doesn't need to be apostillied because it is not shown on some list somewhere, and you later find out the bureaucraft in Brasil wants it apostillied......well.聽 Just get everything done now in the UK anyways.

Last, get as much done in Brasil on Brasilian documents AT ONCE don't delay things, so it removes any ambiguity when to it comes to documents processing. Look for the easiest route, not the first one that come to mind. Getting married in the cartorio, and understanding the Brasilian penchant for paperwork is a perfect place to start. Ask Roddiesho how he knows.

Sounds like you'll be fine though. Welcome !!

Hello all, another question or two on this subject.

When I spoke to my translator in ZL SP, she mentioned that the documents plus translations need to be registered with the "Register of Deeds" office. Is this something separate that needs to be done, or is it all handled by the PF?

Secondly, I have a question about timing and will provide a little background.

As a UK citizen, I can pay for my criminal record check to be produced and sent within 72hrs, no big problem there. Currently, it is taking the UK Foreign Office around 20 days to get documents apostilled and returned. Once I have this, I can complete the online application and make an appointment to get my 180+day visa.

My translator can have the certificate translated within 48hrs if I send them electronically via WhatsApp and will have them biked to my SP address within a couple of hours

My partner and I are planning to return to聽 SP around 20th February 2025 for two weeks, so do you experts believe this will be enough time to apply for my residency (CRNM)?

NB. I will need to leave SP after the two weeks to finish clearing the apartment before our permanent move at the end of August 2025. It's my understanding that this should not be a problem as long as I have a valid passport and the protocol.

Thank you in advance for your words of wisdom.

@davidhall1959 I will just swing at the first one. I do not believe the FP will do that for you.

Roddie in Retirement

09/07/24 @davidhall1959.聽 On your first question, I believe that your Sworn Translator is confusing the use of the documents.聽 For getting married in a cart贸rio, there is a requirement for the foreign partner's relevant documents to be registered, with apostilles and Sworn Translations, at the "Cart贸rio de Registro de T铆tulos e Documentos", more or less the Registry of Deeds.聽 I have never run into a similar requirement from the Pol铆cia Federal (PF) for residency matters, or heard of it from anyone else.聽 You certainly need the apostilles and the Sworn Translations, but not the extra registration, I don't think.聽 No requirement of that kind appears in the latest PF guidance on Legalization of Foreign Documents, which was updated just last month:

So my advice would be not to worry about it unless the PF bring it up, which I don't expect them to do.聽 If for some reason they tell you that it's necessary, they should be able to tell you where that cart贸rio is, and it should be pretty quick.

With respect to your second question, the PF only start to get antsy about a Criminal Background Check if it's quite a bit older than 90 days and the applicant doesn't have a good excuse.聽 It sounds like you should be able to time it so that doesn't become a worry for you.

Your timing, however, will be tight, because Carnaval 2025 runs from February 28 through March 5, so most of your second week is going to be a dead loss for getting any work done at a government office.聽 So definitely try to schedule your interview for right after your arrival.聽 If the PF system comes back "no appointments available" -- as it often does -- go down to the Estrangeiros office at the PF in person and see whether you can talk them into giving you an appointment before Carnaval.聽 Otherwise, consider putting it off until your definitive arrival in August.

@abthree

Just an FYI - some PF *do* require that additional registration. Mine here in a smaller city of S茫o Paulo wanted it, so I had both my birth certificate + translation and background check + translation registered. It was maybe R$100 per document, so I would highly recommend doing this as it can't hurt to have it done.

09/08/24聽 聽 @abthree
Just an FYI - some PF *do* require that additional registration. Mine here in a smaller city of S茫o Paulo wanted it, so I had both my birth certificate + translation and background check + translation registered. It was maybe R$100 per document, so I would highly recommend doing this as it can't hurt to have it done.
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聽 聽 -@amelie2301

Thanks for the update.聽 That's the first I've heard of that being required anywhere, except for marriages in a cart贸rio.