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Hi Robal,
Sorry to hear that, May God rest him in peace.
Thank you for your response. Once I register my marriage at  Brazilian consulate or embassy How long should I wait to apply for temporary visa?
   
   Thank you very much in advance

         Hakimmo

As soon as possible with the same consulate.

Hakimmo it is possible. As to timing it takes awhile and now PF and many consulates are not processing, except for emergency.
You asked same question for Sweden. Are you in there?
You will need many documents translated and legalized and the Federal background check(s) from the last 5 years as Robal stated and link given.
Visa can be issued on a temp basis, but PF here in Brazil has the final say.

Hi Robal,
Do you mean I can get  temporary visa immediately in Brazilian consulate or embassy first Once I register my marriage at  Brazilian consulate or embassy?

Register your marriage first and then apply for the temporary visa to come to Brazil to
process your permanency. They will supply the forms to fill up. Good luck.

Yes, register the marriage with the BR consulate.
Now be sure you can apply for a "Third Country National" visa.
Meaning if you hold a Libya passport and in Panama, be sure the BR Consulate allows such.
Not sure about this so do some checking.

Robal,

I notice the main body of this information dates back to 2013.
Can I take it that the information is unchanged since then and complete for 2020?

David

David,
The laws changed in 2017. Basically the Consulates and PF are now under different jurisdictions.
Consulate's/Embassy's can issue visas, but the PF has the final say as to enter.
Some visas(retirement/permanent)  must be obtained in BR.
Go only with 2018 and later posts.
If asking about marriage, or any subject, tell us the situation(s) and we should be able to help.

David,

See my post of 09/07/19 farther upthread for more up to date information about how the laws currently operate.

BTW, if you and your fiancée can get married in the UK first and then just register it in Brazil, you may be able to eliminate one complication to your transition.

DavidPH wrote:

Robal,

I notice the main body of this information dates back to 2013.
Can I take it that the information is unchanged since then and complete for 2020?

David

If you plan to marry in Brazil, then do it here. It would be a lot easier. Bring your apostilled documents from England that are needed for your CRNM and which could be translated to Portuguese here.

robal

robal wrote:

DavidPH wrote:

Robal,

I notice the main body of this information dates back to 2013.
Can I take it that the information is unchanged since then and complete for 2020?

David

If you plan to marry in Brazil, then do it here. It would be a lot easier. Bring your apostilled documents from England that are needed for your CRNM and which could be translated to Portuguese here.

robal

Obviously, we disagree!

I married abroad, registered the marriage at the Brazilian Consulate and at the cartório here, and escaped all the problems with arbitrary cartório staff that people complain about when they try to get married in Brazil.

Of course I disagree! And what would be the problem if you get married in Brazil? He comes to Brazil as a tourist... He brings his apostilled Birth Certificate, also criminal background check and his passport (of course), declares that he´s unmarried at a cartorio, if divorced, his divorce decree also apostilled in Britain by the Brazilian Embassy or Consulate, if previous wife dead- her death certificate also apostilled in England. If you prepare all that, why be so alarmed with cartorios inefficiency and sacrifice time and convenience and expenses of bringing fiancee to England and get married?

robal

I said "can" which means "if possible".

I believe, and experience shows, that the more one can make the operation of Brazilian bureaucracy ministerial -- something they have to do -- rather than discretionary -- something they control -- the better.

A cartório is not allowed to question or go behind a Certidão Consular de Casamento:  they are required to accept it and record it.  As we know from too many stories here, they can and they do sometimes try to go behind and question documents brought from abroad.  Some are good, some look for ways to trip foreigners up. 

A Certidão used to be very helpful in getting a VIPER, as well.  VIPER is gone now, but I have to think that it will be helpful in getting a VITEM XI.

That's been my experience.  It disagrees with your opinion, Robal, not for the first time, and I'm sure not for the last.

I´ve seen people in this forum get married in Brazil, files the CRNM while in Brazil and it´s not the first time this has been seen here either. The "end justifies the means" and not what "experts" always say that´s the way it should be! If you can show me  ANY specific rule that exist of how it should be done like you stated here then go for it! So show me the money!

robal

What are the Brazilian laws under which a designated non-religious officiant can legally marry a couple?
Specifically, can I appoint a friend (a Brazilian resident) to officiate at our secular wedding?
What is required in Brazil to become a legal officiant, and where can I find that information online?
Thanks!
Len

Len,

This article may be of interest:



The second choice, "celebrante", is a profession in Brazil  (what isn't?); some of them have an authorization ("habilitação") to complete the legal paperwork for a civil marriage, others appear to be informal.  The cartório may be willing to issue your friend a habilitação to complete the legalities, or a celebrante with a habilitação may be willing to assist him - for a fee, of course.

Everyone I know who's done what you want to do has married privately at the cartório a day or two before their party, and had a symbolic exchange of vows before the officiant of their choice at the start of the reception.  Unless you have a very cooperative cartório, or your friend happens to be a judge or a similarly high-ranking public official, that could end up being the most straightforward solution.

abthree wrote:

The second choice, "celebrante", is a profession in Brazil  (what isn't?); some of them have an authorization ("habilitação") to complete the legal paperwork for a civil marriage, others appear to be informal.  The cartório may be willing to issue your friend a habilitação to complete the legalities, or a celebrante with a habilitação may be willing to assist him - for a fee, of course.

It sounds like celebrante is pretty much synonymous with officiant. Is habilitação a type of legal certification? What would be the cost for that?

abthree wrote:

Everyone I know who's done what you want to do has married privately at the cartório a day or two before their party, and had a symbolic exchange of vows before the officiant of their choice at the start of the reception.

That will also work. The couple to be married goes to the cartório to sign the marriage papers, and the ceremony is purely for show.

Thanks!

Len,

Yes, the habilitação is a legal document that the cartório issues to allow a third party -- usually a priest or a minister associated with a church that has a legal presence in Brazil -- to complete the legal process off-site that normally is completed at the cartório.  The request takes this form:



The lay officiant in the article I posted above says on her website that she is authorized to act in this legal capacity, but I haven't been able to locate a corresponding request form.

Today all foreign documents to get married need to have Apostila seal . and must be translated here by a sworm translator ***

Fernando Linares wrote:

Today all foreign documents to get married need to have Apostila seal . and must be translated here by a sworm translator ***

It is important to note that apostilles are only available in countries that are, like Brazil, parties to the Apostille Convention  (formally, "The Hague Convention of 5 October 1961 Abolishing the Requirement of Legalisation for Foreign Public Documents"). 

A number of important countries for ½ûÂþÌìÌà members interested in living in Brazil, notably including Canada, Pakistan, and Bangladesh,  are not parties to the Convention.   Documents from these and other non-party countries must be legalized at the Brazilian Consulate or Embassy in the applicant's home country before they can be accepted in Brazil.

The requirement for sworn translations applies equally to apostilled and legalized documents.

pavel90 wrote:

I used this website.
I almost collected all the required documents and then corona started...

This is not a bad list, although some of the terminology is outdated (e.g., the "RNE card" has been called the CRNM since 2017, and is now blue, not orange).  It's a good idea for the Brazilian partner to confirm with the cartório beforehand what documents they'll be expecting from the foreign partner.

The "Competent Authority" for issuing apostilles differs by country, and can be complicated.   The official information is here; dig down into "National Organ" and/or "Comptetent Authority " to find the correct agency for your apostille:

Hello guys, I'm getting married soon in Sao Paulo, and since I'm not fluent in Portuguese I need to find a interpreter to translate everything in English, or French during the civil wedding. Do you guys have some contact/ places that you recommend ? Thanks in advance !

Following this.  I too will marry a Brazilian this year

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Yoriysk wrote:

Hello guys, I'm getting married soon in Sao Paulo, and since I'm not fluent in Portuguese I need to find a interpreter to translate everything in English, or French during the civil wedding. Do you guys have some contact/ places that you recommend ? Thanks in advance !

Hi, Yoriysk,

Do you mean a translator to translate your home country documents for use at the cartório, or an interpreter to provide simultaneous interpretation for the ceremony, and the discussions leading up to it?

In the first case, the work must be done by a "Sworn Translator", a person who passed a competitive examination and was appointed by the Commercial Junta of a state or the Federal District  - informal translations are not accepted.   A search on "Traduções Juramentadas" with the name of the city where you'll be married should give you some names; there are also legitimate online services that can work with PDFs of your documents.   Pricing varies,  so get several quotes.

For interpretation services, any large English language school - like Instituto Brasil-Estados Unidos, or any private one - can probably recommend an advanced student.   Or Alliance Française, if you prefer French.

Hello everyone, I'm looking for information about two foreigners on tourist visas getting married in Brazil. Is it possible, either during normal non covid times or during the current pandemic? I'm already married, just (genuinely) asking for a British friend who wants to marry a Nigerian whilst they are both here.

why?

Please understand my intent.  Im not criticising, I often choose to do things the hard way, because its an opportunity to learn and because I find it stimulating and I get bored with normal life.  I just want to know if you understand your own motives for volunteering for a task which is going to put great burdens and travails upon you (them?) which certainly dont seem necessary.
The ceremony of marriage is normally provided as an opportunity for friends and family to participate in the shouldering of new joys and committments, so why do it in a place strange to everyone, why do it in a language and custom which are unfamiliar to the participants?

pup, I am 99.9% certain the answer is no.
The cartório will ask for many documents from each party's home country, They will need to be translated and either apostilled or legalized.
I do not see any reason to be married in Brazil. It does not give them any immigration status in Brasil or their home countries probably not recognize this type of marrige.
I believe this is the first time I have seen this question. 

pup8617

I'm not aware of anything in Brazilian law that would prohibit two foreigners from getting married in a Brazilian cartório.   Your friends should talk to a cartório in the city where they are. A cartório that does a lot of weddings is probably a good bet:  that can easily be determined from their web presence.

That said, your friends should realize that they'll be presenting the cartório with a novel situation.   The default response of Brazilian officialdom to novelty strongly tends to be "no", so the odds are against them.

As Tex says, there are also document requirements, and there's a waiting period (either 15 or 30 days, as I recall) between the date that the cartório accepts the marriage petition and actually completes it. 

It's nearly impossible in Brazil to "marry in haste"; the "repent at leisure" part, of course, is open to anyone. 

Thanks for the input guys, I promise you it's not me, I'm already married! I suppose you're all right, especially the legalization of documents thing would be crazy, expensive and long winded. On the other hand I'm sure it happens quite frequently in Brazil, imagine two Haitians marrying one another - I bet it happens all the time. The key point would be that they would probably have been in Brazil for some time, legalilzed their presence in Brazil and have all their documentation ready for the cartorio.

Apologies for likely repeating an often asked situation, asking for friends this question (internet answers are all over the place):

Situation is
A) Two friends - one is Brazilian one is American - they want to get married, and then apply for permanent residency for the American in Brazil
B) American lives in NYC. Brazilian in SP
C) Can they get married in NYC, and then register that US marriage in Brazil? (They Could get married in SP if they have to but a registration of US marriage is (comparatuvely) easier?

I'm assuming the answer to C is yes. Where is a clear, current answer to what paperwork they need to get marriage registered in Brazil (including any special MUSTS, like parent's full names on wedding cert etc)?

Should they seek help to getting answers from a consulate in NYC or SP, or their SP cartório?

B) really will help the American if they marry in the US and register with the Brazil Consulate in NY. Not required, but if possible a great help. Can always just get married in Brazil and begin the Visa process. Takes longer, get all documents apostilled and translated.
Bring all documents required for a family reunion to Brasil. (BR Consulate can again help with what documents need translated and apostilled.)
( get FBI background check before coming to Brasil, but cannot be more than 90 days old)
C) get married in Brasil. The US Marriage documents will expedite the Cartório with marriage and documents for proof of marriage to present to the PF for approval a Family reunion permanent visa.

Again BR Consulate in NY will be a big help and make the PF application less stressful.

07/16/21

Greg Mooca,

Welcome!

As Texanbrazil said, it will be much easier for them if they get married in New York, register the marriage at the Brazilian Consulate General there,  and get the American a VITEM XI visa as soon as they have the "Certidão", the consular marriage registration certificate.   At that point, all they'll need to do when they get to Brazil is register the Certidão at the correct cartório in the Brazilian partner's hometown, and apply to the Federal Police for the American's CRNM - Authorization for Residency  - with mostly the same documents they used for the VITEM XI.  Another advantage of this approach is that their marriage will be registered in both Brazil and the United States.  The US Consulates do not register Brazilian marriages:  that needs to be done by the couple in the US partner's home state.

The list of documents to register the marriage and to obtain the visa will be on the Consulate website.  They can also tell what additional documents will be needed for the Federal Police.   It's a good idea to have duplicate originals of the documents:  documents in English for the Consulate do not require apostilles or translations, documents for the Federal Police require both.  The Sworn Translations can be obtained in Brazil.

My husband and I did it this way, and seemed to have fewer complications and less stress than people sometimes do if they get married in Brazil first.

Thanks só much! I did it the hard way (American getting married in brazil) but my friends have options (but had been reading a lot of confusing/wrong info on the web). Greatly appreciate your time!

Greg Mooca wrote:

Thanks só much! I did it the hard way (American getting married in brazil) but my friends have options (but had been reading a lot of confusing/wrong info on the web). Greatly appreciate your time!

07/16/21

Sure thing!   

We got married in Chicago, and saved ourselves some time by walking the completed Marriage License down to the County Clerk's office ourselves the following Monday and picking up the Marriage Certificate immediately, rather than having the officiant mail it in and for the Clerk to mail the Certificate back to us.

If your friend was born in NYC, there's a special twist to birth certificates.  For people born in the city, the certificates are kept at the city Department of Health; for the rest  of the state, they're at the State Department of Health in Albany.  They should make sure to apply to the right office.

Greg Mooca wrote:

Thanks só much! I did it the hard way (American getting married in brazil) but my friends have options (but had been reading a lot of confusing/wrong info on the web). Greatly appreciate your time!

Thanks for helping others.
We went to Las Vegas. Married in an hour and they had all the docs sent to apostilled and BR Consulate in SF and forward to us in Brazil overnight. (Well almost overnight)
No blood tests in Vegas plus celebrate marriage and assisted in my estate planning.

Some do not think about Americans (or elsewhere) having assets in their home country and God forbid something happens to them. Trying to have a foreign wife/husband try to get assets left in another country is a night mare and expensive. Tax hits also.

Greg Mooca wrote:

Apologies for likely repeating an often asked situation, asking for friends this question (internet answers are all over the place):

Situation is
A) Two friends - one is Brazilian one is American - they want to get married, and then apply for permanent residency for the American in Brazil
B) American lives in NYC. Brazilian in SP
C) Can they get married in NYC, and then register that US marriage in Brazil? (They Could get married in SP if they have to but a registration of US marriage is (comparatuvely) easier?

I'm assuming the answer to C is yes. Where is a clear, current answer to what paperwork they need to get marriage registered in Brazil (including any special MUSTS, like parent's full names on wedding cert etc)?

Should they seek help to getting answers from a consulate in NYC or SP, or their SP cartório?

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Not knowing the immigration or visa status of the Brazilian in the USA, so just a little advice here. If that person is in the USA on a tourist visa, work visa, etc., and they marry, they are also subject to possible deportation out of the USA and could easily be blocked from re-entry into the USA for a period of up to ten years. The UCIS is always watching out for tourists entering the USA for the purpose of marriage.  I am a legal immigrant and citizen, to the USA, from Iceland.  I have helped a number of people with legal U.S. immigration and provide citizenship courses at no charge. While the UCIS and U.S. immigration is pretty straightforward, not actually difficult for those who qualify, they do have a few very strict policies, this is one of those areas to be careful of.

rraypo wrote:

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Not knowing the immigration or visa status of the Brazilian in the USA, so just a little advice here. If that person is in the USA on a tourist visa, work visa, etc., and they marry, they are also subject to possible deportation out of the USA and could easily be blocked from re-entry into the USA for a period of up to ten years. The UCIS is always watching out for tourists entering the USA for the purpose of marriage.

If a person on a tourist visa marries an American in the United States with the intention of staying in violation of the visa terms, then yes, that will be a problem.  There's no issue with a person on a tourist visa marrying an American in the US and then returning to their country in compliance with their visa;  it happens all the time.  In fact, it may be the only practical way to do it:  it's doubtful that the foreign fiancé will qualify for a fiancé visa if the couple has no intention of living in the United States.

abthree described my method.
His information is true.
We went to the US after marriage in BR. No issues. In fact, CBP allowed my wife and me to use the US Citizen line to enter. Way better than I going through in a few minutes and waiting on her in the long lines for visitors for compliance with immigration, customs.
I carried the translated marriage papers. Went to Las Vegas, got married, and had our information entered in the CBP's system as well as the IRS. She supposes to be able to enter in the citizen's lane even without me, She's to scared to try. She does need a valid US Visa. We keep the US marriage Cert with us just in case.
Now Homeland security would not issue a "green card" without a formal application, photos and such.

how does one get a new visa with the embassy closed to applications and appointments during covid?