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If you just impressed about bad things like that,聽 i have no ideas. But it is not fair to speak public for all people in my city

My city?聽
I thought you are just funny. Now I understood that you are very rich too!
But what we do? Freedom of speech is conferred by Vietnamese Constitution!
All people? I think you never read my complete post.

Claireengtalk1 wrote:

If you just impressed about bad things like that,聽 i have no ideas. But it is not fair to speak public for all people in my city

charmavietnam wrote:

I just need this聽

TanRay wrote:

" This is Vietnam".

Unless an expat has lived among the people, the REAL people, ( for more than 5 minutes ), the farmers and fisherman, etc,聽 who are the backbone of VN, and not the westernised city dwellers, and had a few dealings with Govt officials/departments, and VN " business " people, most Ex Pats have no real idea of what " this is VN聽 '' is really all about.
Nearly everywhere you go in VN the the people are different, even their traditions can be different, and their opinion of Foreigners can vary greatly, many 5 minute expats need a reality check, xenophobia, racism and class warfare is thriving in VN. And so are the mosquito's, ants, ( in fact all insects ), snakes, rats and mice that have very little fear of people or daylight, crop diseases and therefore chemical ridden food, pollution, ( in all forms ), complete disregard for anyone's personal space or privacy, disgusting manners, cruelty to animals, corrupt Govt employees, deceitful lying people, the increasing heat/humidity, the list seems endless.
Future visitors/husbands need to know it's not the so called utopia some of these expat rejects from western civilization make it out to be.
If I knew as much after my first year here, as I did before that, there would have been no way I'd have come here to " live ", ( and that was after several previous visits ), unfortunately VN is stuck with me, ( unless another VN harasses me again,聽 like this retard this morning ).
Can't wait for all the VN apologists to answer this, try denying it. ( that will just show us exactly how much you really know about VN and the people ).
One day I might collect all my notes together and write a book about my observations of VN's and VN " culture ", during my first few years in VN, but it seems to be ongoing, might need a few sequels.

" Freedom of speech is conferred by Vietnamese Constitution!
All people? "
I think quite a few people rotting in VN prisons might disagree with you on that.

Hi hi hi...聽 i respect your sharing here, but let you know more about people聽 here...聽 Of course,聽 u can talk anything,聽 you know,聽 you want.

bluenz wrote:

charmavietnam wrote:

I just need this聽

TanRay wrote:

" This is Vietnam".

Unless an expat has lived among the people, the REAL people, ( for more than 5 minutes ), the farmers and fisherman, etc,聽 who are the backbone of VN, and not the westernised city dwellers, and had a few dealings with Govt officials/departments, and VN " business " people, most Ex Pats have no real idea of what " this is VN聽 '' is really all about.
Nearly everywhere you go in VN the the people are different, even their traditions can be different, and their opinion of Foreigners can vary greatly, many 5 minute expats need a reality check, xenophobia, racism and class warfare is thriving in VN. And so are the mosquito's, ants, ( in fact all insects ), snakes, rats and mice that have very little fear of people or daylight, crop diseases and therefore chemical ridden food, pollution, ( in all forms ), complete disregard for anyone's personal space or privacy, disgusting manners, cruelty to animals, corrupt Govt employees, deceitful lying people, the increasing heat/humidity, the list seems endless.
Future visitors/husbands need to know it's not the so called utopia some of these expat rejects from western civilization make it out to be.
If I knew as much after my first year here, as I did before that, there would have been no way I'd have come here to " live ", ( and that was after several previous visits ), unfortunately VN is stuck with me, ( unless another VN harasses me again,聽 like this retard this morning ).
Can't wait for all the VN apologists to answer this, try denying it. ( that will just show us exactly how much you really know about VN and the people ).
One day I might collect all my notes together and write a book about my observations of VN's and VN " culture ", during my first few years in VN, but it seems to be ongoing, might need a few sequels.

Surely you jest?
I have never had any of the problems you mention.
The neighbours in my gated Villa community are very friendly.
My personal driver who takes me to and from my Company office is most kind.He can even speak English
Our office building is very clean and tidy.It was built 2 years ago,so it's not a fancy new building by any means.
The lunch lady always delivers on time with the freshest of meals.
Sometimes other employees and I go and eat just like the 'locals'.The Sheraton has some lovely authentic dishes.

And yes,I've been to the provinces and mixed in with regular Vietnamese people.
My family and I regularly fly to Nha Trang for a weekend at the Intercon hotel.
We love the private beach and the hotel always provides an excellent driver for us.
But with the nanny and our personal assistant coming too we almost fill up the business class seats.


So,yes I heart Vietnam.

Hey JIm,

Yogi has some friends that live in a gated community.聽 聽They've been there for years.

They get free clothes, medical, dental, computers, sports equipment ...all the good stuff.

They also even get chaperoned on business class flights wearing bullet proof vests to attend Court Hearings.聽 聽 聽But that's all changed,馃槄馃槄馃槄

Some of them end up getting dumped in places like Cambodia on witness protection programmes. They cunning ones聽 even find their way across here.聽

Aah the good life.

What do you like the most in Vietnam? Christine we have a problem. The wanna be heres and the don't wanna be heres are not in sync. The five minute expats outnumber the lifers. I learned something today, some expats don't want to be here. I think Vietnam is perhaps the best country in the world (for me) so it seems strange some people don't agree.

I do believe wrote:

What do you like the most in Vietnam? Christine we have a problem. The wanna be heres and the don't wanna be heres are not in sync. The five minute expats outnumber the lifers. I learned something today, some expats don't want to be here. I think Vietnam is perhaps the best country in the world (for me) so it seems strange some people don't agree.

You forgot to mention how the VN members outnumber the expats considerably. then we get the " expats " that would " like " to live here with their expert advice from their short visits. And talking about " Experts ", some " Experts " from other countries trying to tell us how things work here???? One I'm quite sure has never even been to VN, he likes to tell us all about Brazil for some reason.

bluenz wrote:

I do believe wrote:

What do you like the most in Vietnam? Christine we have a problem. The wanna be heres and the don't wanna be heres are not in sync. The five minute expats outnumber the lifers. I learned something today, some expats don't want to be here. I think Vietnam is perhaps the best country in the world (for me) so it seems strange some people don't agree.

You forgot to mention how the VN members outnumber the expats considerably. then we get the " expats " that would " like " to live here with their expert advice from their short visits. And talking about " Experts ", some " Experts " from other countries trying to tell us how things work here???? One I'm quite sure has never even been to VN, he likes to tell us all about Brazil for some reason.

It's the 6:3:1 rule(don't quote me,Mr. Carnegie)
In business marketing it's - 60% are uninterested,30% are interested and 10% are genuine.
That could translate here with the same %'s but different titles.

bluenz wrote:

I do believe wrote:

What do you like the most in Vietnam? Christine we have a problem. The wanna be heres and the don't wanna be heres are not in sync. The five minute expats outnumber the lifers. I learned something today, some expats don't want to be here. I think Vietnam is perhaps the best country in the world (for me) so it seems strange some people don't agree.

You forgot to mention how the VN members outnumber the expats considerably. then we get the " expats " that would " like " to live here with their expert advice from their short visits. And talking about " Experts ", some " Experts " from other countries trying to tell us how things work here???? One I'm quite sure has never even been to VN, he likes to tell us all about Brazil for some reason.

You are bitter but funny bitter.

I loved the never ending -ever unfolding street life 'theatre' and how I became entangled in the ever intrigueing plot of people's lives聽 --- but the nasty gossip culture ( Ba tam) got to me at times:)

I'm thankful that I live hear and not London. I'm afraid London has gone to the dogs along with many other city's in the UK .****

Don't forget your roots even if the governance is bad. If you are a permanent resident in Vietnam then ignore my comment.聽

ThaoBrewster wrote:

I'm thankful that I live here and not in London. Vietnam for the Vietnamese, you can't argue with that.

I will never forget my roots, but I'm very disappointed with the gardeners, they ignored to water the plants.聽 I have no intention of going back. I've been coming here since 2001 and living here for the past 4 years.

I have lived in Thailand so I can only compare the two,i find people in vnam are more ambitious and have a greater sense of honour and respect both for themselves and others.hard work is paramount to self esteem,if you don't work for what you have then you and your children count on others to help you,and the cycle continues.....but most I love the early mornings in the many parks and the people who rise early to excersize and play sports,drink tea show their birds and practice thai chi.....physical and mental health matter in vnam...

Yogi likes the Traffic lights and Policemen here.

The Red lights are "optional" and the police have an open minded business like attitude to doing things.

Yogi007 wrote:

Yogi likes the Traffic lights and Policemen here.

The Red lights are "optional" and the police have an open minded business like attitude to doing things.

Hahaha, the police is only open-minded with foreigners, or with some guys looks like mafia, they never open-mined with women . That's why when I drive, I always wear big dress, and coat and mask to cover all my body, face. Sometimes they feel bored, they will try to stop some women to talk/ask, hehe

Not exactly聽
You should see they work very hard at the end of month and beginning (I don't wouldn't say to collect salary), especially, CSGT guys!

Yogi007 wrote:

The police have an open minded business like attitude to doing things.

mok199 wrote:

I have lived in Thailand so I can only compare the two,i find people in vnam are more ambitious and have a greater sense of honour and respect both for themselves and others.hard work is paramount to self esteem,if you don't work for what you have then you and your children count on others to help you,and the cycle continues.....but most I love the early mornings in the many parks and the people who rise early to excersize and play sports,drink tea show their birds and practice thai chi.....physical and mental health matter in vnam...

i love the ''AO DAI'',i think it is the classiest and sexiest traditional dress in the world...

Its simple,some expats here will try and make out everything is wonderful. As with most countries there are positives and negatives. The negatives here are very fixable,eg the traffic,the corrupt police and officials and the damn noisy neighbours. They wont be fixed as first you must have the right people who will actually do something for Viet Nam, not just for the monetary gain. Uncle Ho wanted all citizens of the new united Viet Nam to share in its growth,the Hanoians have made sure that hasnt happened.

You'll get no argument from me on this one.聽 Vietnam - The land of short shorts and miniskirts, and girls who know how to wear them.聽 Enough said................

jkelly5762 wrote:

You'll get no argument from me on this one.聽 Vietnam - The land of short shorts and miniskirts, and girls who know how to wear them.聽 Enough said................

Tr峄漣 啤i, I wish I could see my colleague wear skirt once, even knee-length dress . I know many girls here don't like to wear dress, even I said many times, that: you are women, need to be beautiful, to feel love yourself... But no, they always wear long pants . They only try to buy many long pants, and many blouses with nice style .
I wear shorts, and skirts sometimes when I hang out with friends! But don't say to me that I should stop wearing them because foreigners can't focus anything when they see me . I can't stop

Vietnamese women are beautiful. From the inside as well as the outside.

And I sure hope you never stop.聽 聽

Ngattt,

In my home country, I'd be wondering if your colleagues were men or women.聽 At least here, we pretty much know you're talking about women.聽 聽

I miss all the friends I made in Viet Nam. The people are very special. I also enjoyed the more laid back lifestyle, the feeling of community and the dignity of being respected as a teacher. I miss Viet Nam!

They are not only beautiful but also graceful and kind hearted human being which make them more attractive

The best posts I've seen are by BlueNZ, Jimbream, and Ngatt. I love Vietnam, but I am intimately familiar with its downside. I knew the real Vietnam in 1968, and based on that I would never have married a Vietnamese woman merely because she was Vietnamese. Even at that young age I realized the same fishmonger mouthed old crones I knew had once been sweet talking young girls. James Michener had it down pat when he made the sweet Liat (I presume his understanding of Luyet) in "Tales of the South Pacific" the daughter of Bloody Mary. I saw beautiful Cham girls, Khmer Krom girls, Khmer La girls, and Rhade, Jarai and Koho girls in 1968, as well as some Vietnamese. No national group has a monopoly on beauty.

Ngatt, what did I like about them? First of all, I liked their scent. Second of all, I liked their walk, their talk, their sense of style, and especially their ribald sense of humor. I liked that true Vietnamese feminine cackle they let out when they really enjoy a good laugh, rather than the polite smiles and laughter they use in cultural exchanges. But most of all, what I liked about the majority of Vietnamese women I knew was their sense of family loyalty, even if I didn't particularly like certain family patriarchs and matriarchs.

But I'm just a wannabe expatriate who lived in Vietnam for a single year, 1968, before returning for multiple trips from 2002 on. When we get a few years older, our plan is to return to live so 'Em oi', who is only a tiny bit younger than myself, will be close to her family. I love returning to Vietnam so I can practice my very bad fractured Vietnamese on one and all, thereby improving slightly. The only thing I really don't like about Vietnam is running into perfected idiot expatriates who think certain historical figures are some saintly cross between Ghandi and George Washington, or whomever. Thankfully, they are in the minority.

Cam on nhieu lam cac ong ba. Nhay-du, Luc Luong Dac Biet!

where are your photos in shorts?

smthcrg wrote:

where are your photos in shorts?

I can't post my private photos here because I don't want to have problems with men hehe.

Back to topic, my friend who is Vietnamese, she lives in America now, she said : there are many beautiful woman there, they are tall, long legs, and share with their partners everything, take care family very well, better than Vietnamese women. Why many men here say Vietnamese are beautiful than women in their countries hehe

Ngattt,

It's not that they are more beautiful here, it's just that they are so much in abundance.聽 For me, living in the San Francisco Bay Area, and doing a lot of things in different areas on a daily basis, the sight of a woman in short shorts or a tiny mini-skirt is few and far between.聽 Here, it's morning, noon, and night, and they are everywhere.聽 So I can be like a kid in a candy store.聽 I'm not ashamed to say that I gawk and stare.聽 Hell, the other day, as a woman was getting off the bus I was on, I got smacked in the arm by another girl for watching her as she got off the bus.聽 I didn't even know the woman who smacked me.聽 As far as I'm concerned, if I'm too obvious, oh well...................聽 If they don't want to be stared at or admired, then don't wear things that will attract attention.聽 Your friend is just giving you the standard lines to make you think we have it so much better, in that respect, in America.

Ngattt your friend is telling you only the very best , most American women are just for themselves. Asian women are much more for their family and as far as I'm concerned Vietnamese women are some of the most beautiful in the world

jkelly5762 wrote:

If they don't want to be stared at or admired, then don't wear things that will attract attention.

Please don't think like that ! I don't have many chances to wear sexy dresses/shorts/skirts, just because I work for government university, so I always have to wear knee-length dresses, pants... That's why sometimes, in the weekends, or when I hang out with my friends, I like to wear short dresses (not so short), because I will not meet my students .

When I wear some short dresses, or shorts I feel confident when I see myself in the mirror, then I think: oh, you are quite pretty, why you are not confident with yourself? Never think about showing myself for men, only dangerous for me, not them . They can stare at me, its ok if their eyes are polite enough; but if someone try to touch me, I never say anything, but I will try to stay away from them .

It's true there are many beautiful women in Vietnam but there are even more not so beautiful (to be kind). I am attracted to Asian women because of their Asian facial features especially the eyes. I like shorter women or perhaps I should say I don't like the big bodies of Caucasian women. I think suggesting that Vietnamese woman are more nurturing and familial is just not true. Most Western men get treated in a special way and that can go to one's head. To generalize on Vietnamese women's habits and demeanor is insulting in this day and age except I would agree that women here tend to be happy being a woman versus Western women wanting to be men. It may sound funny but I am attracted to a woman who carries herself well and is a lady. T么i th铆ch ph峄� n峄� Vi峄噒 Nam t峄� tin, th么ng minh v脿 h岷�p d岷玭. Call me superficial if you like but there it is.

Some of us appreciate the beauty of the female body honey. You just go right ahead and keep on wearing those shorts.聽

Yoda likes women wearing anything short because given yoda's height Yoda has better advantage than most people.聽

It's hard to be honest and not be understood, people live in their own environment, family , relationships and are perfectly happy, I have vertiualy lived in Vietnam for 9 years. When people ask me why, I always answer this way. The people tell lies,rob me, and are greedy, they try to poison me with strange foods and run over me with their motorbikes, So why do I love the place and the people. I know the long history of the Vietnamese people, they are very family orientated, they live to provide for and protect the family. The westerners is seen as an ATM coming from a decerdent country and are expected to be a source of survival. My mate says." My wife doesn't Rob me" . She is standing beside him with a cluster of solid gold bangles from her wrist to her elbow, gold rings on her fingers etc. While you look after them they may not have to Rob you. So when your girl lies to you to get a motorbike for sister, or robs you to feed their poor family how do you feel. If you can understand their culture etc and accept them for what they are, what is in it for you?聽 A woman who is warm, loving, beautiful and caring beyond belief, who will treat you like a king. You may be 70 she may be 40, yet she will give you so much. Ahh the sweet mystery which is Vietnam!

I love the Vietnamese people always with smiling face and no regrets sign on their faces, a warm and positive attitude of life. The most of the tourist places are well maintained and very much tourist friendly behaviour without any vested interest.

akvap2013 wrote:

I love the Vietnamese people always with smiling face and no regrets sign on their faces, a warm and positive attitude of life. The most of the tourist places are well maintained and very much tourist friendly behaviour without any vested interest.

I don't see any Vietnamese with smiling faces here in HCMC.