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Sorry but your question is confusing,

"An NIE card. "

Do you mean an NIE certificate, white paper, or  a piece of green paper, ether credit card size or A4 size, an EU Citizen Registration ?      Whichever it is makes a difference.

And whether you are an EU Citizen or not, makes a difference.


If can be more precise someone will do their best give you an answer

Regards  John

John,
It is not a paper.It is a plastic card and mentioned as  'PERMISO DE RESIDENCIA' . I thought that this is NIE. I am not an EU citizen. I am from India and working in Spain.So, my question is whether the new VISA stamp is needed in the passport to travel between spain and India ? Thanks in advance for replying my question.
Regards
Murali

Hello Lakmurali and welcome to the forum.

You are an Indian national, so will not need a visa to enter India.

You will always need a current Spain entry visa to enter Spain until you are Spain resident.

Having an NIE number is not residence status.

Before entering Sapain, I have the  VISA Stamp with multiple entry and NIE Number on the VISA stamp.In that VISA stamp, it has 90 days. But I got the 'PERMISO DE RESIDENCIA' card with the same NIE number and the type of Permiso is 'RESIDENCIA Y TRABAJO'.
I was told that there will not be any VISA required to enter Spain. So, I would like to get the clarification in the forum.
-Murali

Lakmuralki

Hi,
            Ignore catlady's post it is wrong (by more than just a 'tad')                       

As you have Residencia you are permitted, to leave Spain for up to 2 years.  When you return,  as you have the right of Residency  ( the Residencia)   you do not need an entry visa.

I know this does not apply to you but may assist others: 
                         
                        A person ike you who has Residencia, can apply for permission to leave for longer than two years, for reasons of child birth, serious illness of you or immediate family

Hope that helps

John
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John,
Thanks a lot for the clarification.Appreciate your help.
Regards
Murali

One more question.If my daughter from India wants visit me, what kind of VISA does she need and for how long she can be here and if you know any documentation for this, can you please provide me the link.Thanks in advance.
Regards
Murali

Take a look here.  It should help_

Hello Murali

Your daughter needs a Spanish Tourist Schengen Visa 90 Days. She can apply direct herself.

Embassy of Spain
New Delhi, Delhi, India • +91 11 4129 3000

Consulate General of Spain
Mumbai, Maharashtra, India • +91 22 2288 0213

There are many websites offering visa services, beware of scammers.

Catlady69 Visa Expert

Lakmurali wrote:

Before entering Sapain, I have the  VISA Stamp with multiple entry and NIE Number on the VISA stamp.In that VISA stamp, it has 90 days. But I got the 'PERMISO DE RESIDENCIA' card with the same NIE number and the type of Permiso is 'RESIDENCIA Y TRABAJO'.
I was told that there will not be any VISA required to enter Spain. So, I would like to get the clarification in the forum.
-Murali

Murali, John's answer is mostly correct, but not entirely.

As an Indian citizen, you absolutely do need a visa to enter Spain and the Schengen area; BUT... your PERMISO DE RESIDENCIA card serves as that visa as long as it is in effect.  Your visa stamp in your passport (with only 90 days) served as your original visa to enter for residency and work purposes.

Once you complete the process to get the card (which is sometimes referred to as the "TIE", the "Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero", or also known as the "tarjeta residencia"), that card is now your official permission (and visa) to re-enter Spain and the Schengen area as a resident, so you don't need an additional one in your passport.

When you leave and then return to the Schengen area (whether you are re-entering directly into Spain, or into a different Schengen area nation) you will show your passport and your residency card. The immigration officer will check the date of expiration.

For most non-EU nationals, the first time you get that card it's only good for one year (not two years as John incorrectly stated), and once the card is expired you cannot use it to re-enter Spain or the Schengen area.

However, you have up to 90 days after the card expires to apply for renewal, and so you can be in Spain "legally" but still have an expired card. Once the renewal has been applied for, it can be a few months prior to them approving you, and during that time period you might also have an expired card.

The good news is that while you are waiting for the renewal, there is a way to leave and re-enter Spain. You will need official approval, but you do not need a full-fledged visa; instead, you can go to an extranjero office and get an "autorizacion de regreso", which is an authorization to return.  I had to do this recently for a trip outside of Spain while I'm waiting for my card renewal process.

So to answer your question, no, you don't need a full "visa" once you've been approved for your residency card, but you DO need to have the card with you (because it is essentially a visa itself), and if it happens to be past the expiration date of the card you need to go and get a different approval letter (and in theory they are only supposed to give you that letter if you have a good reason- in my case I wanted to go to a soccer game in Canada and the guy accepted that as a valid reason!)

Many non-EU people wind up needing the autorizacion de regreso for trips out of Spain while waiting for the Spanish bureaucracy to get their new cards issued. Since work permits (for non-EU citizens) are only good for one year, we wind up needing renewals frequently. After five years, though, we can get a long-term residency/work permit, so if you wind up staying that long things get much easier.

Papa I should be grateful if you would read more carefully what I posted, and then please, correct your post. 

QUOTE :  As you have Residencia you are permitted, to leave Spain for up to 2 years.  When you return,  as you have the right of Residency  ( the Residencia)   you do not need an entry visa.

In saying I was not correct,   you mis-quoted what I had said and thereby your post is misleading (incorrect).

(My wife is non EU, as too are many of her friends, whom I have helped with legalities.  I thus have,  in effect,  first hand knowledge)

Hi PapaLima

My name is Grace .

I am currently in Spain and am yet to get my NIE Card and will be here for 1 year for Studies. I have been here for 3 weeks now .

One of my family member is really ill and would like to Travel back to Kenya this weekend. So my question is can I use my Original entry Visa which had MULT entries but valid for 90 Days to renter Spain on my return

Please let me know if I will be allowed entry using my MULT entry visa I am currently holding

Urgent response will be much appreciated

Thank You

Grace I assume you mean Residencia not NIE

It is Saturday, so I suggest you go to the Extranjería (foreigners Dept.) of the Policía Nacional, which cover the area where you are staying,  on Monday and ask,

I believe it is possible to get an authorisation to leave and return, from the National Police. 

As it is urgent you could try asking the police, at your National Police Comissaria,  today.

thank you johncar

yes I think its residencia

I called the Airport police this morning and they told me I could travel with my original visa as  long as it is written MULTI entry on it.

would it be better if I could go to the police at the airport tomorrow before my 1500hr flight departure and reconfirm. What do you think

If as you say now, you have your Residencia, then you can leave and return without a visa as you have the right to remain in Spain

My wife is Filipino .   She has Residencia and she has been out of Spain several times  and returned with just her Residencia Card and her valid Filipino Passport.

I think you are misunderstanding me .

I am in the process of applying for the residencia card since I have only been here less than 1 month- this means I don't have the card yet
.
My worry is ,am I allowed to travel in and out of Spain within the first month of arrival using the original visa that was issued before I arrived here

Ok. Then your problem may be that if you leave whilst the application process is in hand you may find that will cancel the process


I doubt that the police at the airport would know about that

Yes, you can leave and then re-enter. That is why you have "MULT" entries.

However, like John said, when you return (and you must be certain to return prior to the visa's 90 day expiration limit) you should check with extranjeria to ensure that your residency permission process is still in effect, or if you must re-apply.

I personally doubt that they will stop processing your residency card but it is very important, so it is worth making sure that it is still being worked on.

Thank you PapaLima.

This helps .
As long as I can re-enter when I come  back on Wednesday next week with no problems ,I don't have a problem

this is an emergency and I have to travel.

Hi John & Papa,

my situtation is like I just came back to my country (India). I was on schengen visa for 90 days and my visa is multi & valid still till 23rd Dec. I got married there, have Libro de familia, marriage certificate, census that am staying there, also my applied NIE (tarjeta de residencia) is in process. so now how should i go back there, should i apply for any visa again or anything else.

regards and thanks
Barun