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Markdgal wrote:

Hello, everyone.

I am a Canadian with a medical license in Canada and USA. I am wondering if any one has information on licensing and working in Vietnam. There was a similar question 2.5 years ago but no answer. I know in Vietnam, 2.5 years is a long time and much can change in government regulations. I am still a practicing physician currently working overseas for past few months with an aid agency.

Any help would be appreciated on where to start.

The most important thing will likely be your ability (inability?) to speak the Vietnamese language.

It seems to me that you would need to find and contact the board or body that issues the license.

A quick search turns up this (copy and paste as there is some glitch with the end of the link):

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"Viet Nam ï‚· Licensing period: lifelong ï‚· Same requirement with local practitioner
ï‚· Must have license to practice in the country of origin, authenticated by the
embassy of the country of origin in Viet Nam
ï‚· Local language requirement or interpreter requirement"

Mark.
I do not know why you have chosen Vietnam to practice but as OceanBeach says, speaking Vietnamese is pretty much essential and believe me it is not easy to learn. You may even have to write prescriptions etc in Vietnamese. There are many international hospitals here that may be a possibility it rather depends on your area of expertise and even if accepted your salary will be quite low. It seems that only lawyers and high officials here manage to get a decent salary and that is often via somewhat 'questionable' means. Prior to my retirement I worked for the government here on and off as a consultant mechanical engineer and even though I was invited to the position there were still hoops to jump through. Medical professions seem to be more a vocation rather than financially aimed so, with respect, you my be better looking elsewhere to use your obvious talents.

I seem to recall people on this forum inquiring and answering about private clinics, particularly in HCMC, with English speaking doctors.  Most of these places were described as rather pricey by Vietnamese standards.  I note the last line of johnross23's post: 'Local language requirement or interpreter requirement"  I suppose these clinics will have such interpreters even if the bulk of the patients are expats.  I am sorry I can't give a name.  Maybe someone uses one of these clinics and can do so. 

Some people report that FV Hospital in HCMC has foreign doctors but I expect most are French.

One other source of information might be the Medical Universities.   Try Googling "University of Medicine and Pharmacy at Ho Chi Minh City"  If you called their number you might find someone who speaks English. 

I was lucky to have a two English-speaking Vietnamese doctors, one an internist and one an ENT specialist who met 90% of my needs.  Every schoolteacher probably finds that they have a throat cold at least once a school year.  It's sort of an occupational illness.

Thank you everyone. I am looking at several options and countries. I like Vietnam, I like its people. I do not want to go back to the world of medicine in Canada which is why I work for an international humanitarian organization. I still go home to Canada for several months and work as a doctor but it is tiring.
Making money is not what I am worried about. I could make more than enough in Canada in 3-4 months to live for 8-9 months in Vietnam.
Yes, I have started Vietnamese lessons and it is difficult but I learned French once.
I have read most articles on the internet. I have applied in the past for other medical licenses like Australia and New Zealand. So it can be complicated.
I was hoping to hear what people may have experienced with the government regulations in reference to licensing, timeframe, lawyers, visas, work permits.
Staying in Vietnam is a problem because of visas. I could research other visas like business or investors if that helps to stay in Vietnam while I sort out regulations.
I was wondering if others had thoughts on where to start

Doctors in VN make the same as school teachers.   So you would be better off teaching English to kids than actually providing  first  world  medical care, as sad  as  that sounds,  its true...  I am in the same situation.

AmericanBulldog wrote:

Doctors in VN make the same as school teachers.   So you would be better off teaching English to kids than actually providing  first  world  medical care, as sad  as  that sounds,  its true...  I am in the same situation.

Would you expound on that, please?

If monetary compensation is equal, how is he (or any physician) "better off" by choosing classroom instruction over primary patient care?

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

AmericanBulldog wrote:

Doctors in VN make the same as school teachers.   So you would be better off teaching English to kids than actually providing  first  world  medical care, as sad  as  that sounds,  its true...  I am in the same situation.

Would you expound on that, please?

If monetary compensation is equal, how is he (or any physician) "better off" by choosing classroom instruction over primary patient care?

I understood AmericanBulldog to mean that doctors make the same as Vietnamese school teachers which is quite a bit less than foreign ESL teachers. 

AmericanBulldog:  Are you an M.D.?  That seems to be what your comment implies.

I am a  little skeptical of the comparison anyway, as I see doctors driving late model cars and Vietnamese teachers driving used motorbikes.  Most of them work for peanuts in the government hospital but make most of the money taking patients afternoons and evenings.  Many also seem to own pharmacies adjacent to the private practice.

I do know that my brother in law is a surgeon and he makes about 1 billion per year.  Decent money by Vietnamese standards but I think that puts him about on par as an expat English teacher if they can get full time hours.

Ok Markdgal I have a lead for you but it is a bit cold.
In December 2016 I was treated at Family Medical Practice in Saigon by Dr Gillis Grant who diagnosed my dengue. He was from Nova Scotia and had arrived earlier that year. FMP is well known for taking foreign patients. However I don't see him listed on staff any longer:

Perhaps you have access to doctor directories that can locate him for   his experience. and FMP can certainly tell you about opportunities. There are several foreign doctors there. There are also other international clinics and hospitals.

My wife says that foreign doctors in Vietnam don't need to take tests or speak Vietnamese to practice. Foreign degrees are accepted.

We found out that in Thailand, a foreign doctor needs to speak Thai and pass 3 tests to practice.

I have been talking with a lawyer for the past week. It is a complicated system to get a medical license and open a LLC medical clinic. The language used in Vietnam and Canada/USA is different. He has had to explain it several times. I glad I have the time to put into this.
It is not cheap either.
I can help others with the details if needed.

D'oh, you didn't say you wanted to open a clinic!

Pretty sure opening a clinic in any country is difficult and expensive.

I am a licensed US physician, currently living in Korea, looking to get licensed in Vietnam. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

edwarda19038 wrote:

I am a licensed US physician, currently living in Korea, looking to get licensed in Vietnam. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Contact the guy who started the thread, he said he can assist if anyone has questions.

I think opening a instacare clinic with a English speaking doctor would be an excellent idea.

I am a licensed US physician, currently living in Korea, looking to get licensed in Vietnam. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

My niece's SO was an orthopedic surgeon in a co-owned clinic in Ravensburg (Germany).  Ten years ago, he sold his share of the practice, packed up the house, and followed my niece to Vietnam.  The following year, he opened his own private practice in Saigon and has been seeing patients since. 

His license was verified by the Medical Board of the German Consulate.  He only needed license and documents to establish the LLC for his medical practice.

My niece became his manager/assistant after she passed a two-day multi language exam for licensed medical interpreter (German - English - Vietnamese). 

He only sees patients 3 days each week (spending the other 4 days at their home and farm in Long My, a village in Ba Ria.)  I don't know how much he actually brought in, only that after staff salary, office rental, insurance, and medication (he's not associated with an on-site pharmacy) but before tax, he netted out at 500M each month.  That was up until the end of 2018.  His patient list became shorter in 2019 probably because his fee was too high.  Then Covid happened and it's even worse.

In early 2020, I contacted a lawyer in HCMC. I exchanged several emails with him. I stopped everything because of Covid. I am not sure I will bother to research any further. basically, I was looking at two separate things. 1. Medical License and 2. Setting up a clinic. Medical Licence in Vietnam is similar to applying for a medical license to most countries. You must provide documentation from your own country that you are a licensed physician. Then wait to seee if you are approved. To start an LLC Medical clinic is a bit more complicated. You would want a lawyer. I can provide you the name of the lawyer who I spoke to. I cannot comment on the lawyer's ability as I never really pursued the LLC or medical license.

Ciambella wrote:

....before tax, he netted out at 500M each month.

That works out to nearly $264K US per year which would be a respectable, but maybe on the low side, pretax income, for an orthopaedic specialist in the US.  It may be as much than he could have made in Germany where there may be limitations as to how much he could have charged.  Of course his money goes a lot further too.

I once told my wife's doctor, an internist, that she could maybe make more money, or at least a higher standard of living in Vietnam than she does in the US, but as her family are double refugees (North to South in '54 and to US in  or after '75) she didn't think it would work for her.  She said she had never been to Vietnam, but my wife says she speaks in a perfect Northern accent.

Let me suggest you look on LinkedIn for jobs for doctors in Vietnam.  You are most likely already aware that doctors in VN do not make as much as in the West.  But I would suggest looking at SOS International clinic.  I think they are hiring for their international clinic in Saigon and Hanoi.  Let me also suggest you sign up with telemedicine companies such as MDLive, Teladoc, and various other telehealth jobs that allow you to work remotely.  Some may have stipulation that you reside withing North America, but you can easily get around that with a good VPN.  The SOS clinic job pays perhaps 1/2 to 1/3 of what you can make in North America but likely to not be very busy.  Telehealth while traveling abroad gives you the freedom to work on your own schedule whenever you want and how much you need.  Lastly, a lot of young nomads travel to VN and teach English to locals from their computers and earn $2000-3000 a month and working only a few hours a day.  That may work out better for you if money is not the issue and you can socialize with the people, help them learn and learn back from them while making extra spending money doing telehealth abroad.  Good luck.

Q V31 wrote:

Lastly, a lot of young nomads travel to VN and teach English to locals from their computers and earn $2000-3000 a month and working only a few hours a day.

Although I know a good number of ESL teachers, I've never asked them about their salary.  So here's breaking the Western social rule of not asking about income or weight, my questions to THIGV, John Ross, and other ESL teachers: 

1/ Do you really make $2000 - $3000 a month while working only a few hours a day?

2/ How many of you are earning that income without leaving the house (i.e. teaching from your computer, as per the quote above)?

Ciambella wrote:

Q V31 wrote:

Lastly, a lot of young nomads travel to VN and teach English to locals from their computers and earn $2000-3000 a month and working only a few hours a day.

Although I know a good number of ESL teachers, I've never asked them about their salary.  So here's breaking the Western social rule of not asking about income or weight, my questions to THIGV, John Ross, and other ESL teachers: 

1/ Do you really make $2000 - $3000 a month while working only a few hours a day?

2/ How many of you are earning that income without leaving the house (i.e. teaching from your computer, as per the quote above)?

You could earn 2000 usd a month if you were working 7 days a week and on a platform that pays 25 usd an hour for teaching kids. I can assure you the majority of online teachers don't earn anywhere near that.

Another factor that people forget is that ESL teachers are not paid for travel between schools, recess, or even the passing time between classes.  You are only paid for face-to-face class time.   To make the 30 hours a week, that it would take to make $3K, is possible but a lot tougher than it sounds.  It would be a 7 day a week job with a lot of running around and no time for lesson planning.  I knew a few people who did it but I believe the quality of their work suffered.  40 paid hours is likely impossible for practical scheduling reasons.

As far as those computer based jobs, when I checked, the pay was less per hour than the pay for live teaching in Vietnam.  That was true last time I checked but may differ now. 

Edit:  There is an outfit advertising in Honolulu right now for online teachers for students in Japan and Korea.  Pay starts at $11/hour with promised raises (when?) to $20.  I don't imagine that they would pay any more just because you were sitting somewhere in Asia.  A college degree or current college enrollment is required.

THIGV wrote:

Another factor that people forget is that ESL teachers are not paid for travel between schools, recess, or even the passing time between classes.  You are only paid for face-to-face class time.   To make the 30 hours a week, that it would take to make $3K, is possible but a lot tougher than it sounds.  It would be a 7 day a week job with a lot of running around and no time for lesson planning.  I knew a few people who did it but I believe the quality of their work suffered.  40 paid hours is likely impossible for practical scheduling reasons.

As far as those computer based jobs, when I checked, the pay was less per hour than the pay for live teaching in Vietnam.  That was true last time I checked but may differ now. 

Edit:  There is an outfit advertising in Honolulu right now for online teachers for students in Japan and Korea.  Pay starts at $11/hour with promised raises (when?) to $20.  I don't imagine that they would pay any more just because you were sitting somewhere in Asia.  A college degree or current college enrollment is required.

Let's not forget about all the penalties these online companies have in place.