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@thetravelfox also, be sure to make a copy of all your Passport Pages.聽 They'll ask for it at the PF in Sao Paulo, not sure about other locations.聽 I discussed it in the post @bepmoht referenced:

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@bepmoht When I applied for and received my Permanant Brazilian Residency, I had my USA Birth Certificate apostilled but not translated. It is hanging out in my secure document cabinet in plain English.

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09/13/24 @thetravelfox.聽 As @bepmoht wrote, the Consulates say to have an additional copy of your Birth Certificate, this one with an apostille, to present to the Federal Police when you register and request your CRNM.聽 You'll need a Sworn Translation of both documents, which can be done when you get to Brazil, or in advance from electronic versions.

It's not a bad idea to have a duplicate original of your Background Check with an apostille, too, just in case.

Thank you for the clarifications - I appreciate it!聽 聽On the second question -- I imagine/hope it's not a problem, but if any one has experiences please let me know.

While waiting for the CRNM (after going to the PF), are there any restrictions on leaving the country?聽 I will llikely need to travel internationally between going to PF and when the CRNM is ready.

My experience with your question about travel is this. Way back in 2010 I finally received my Retirement Visa from the Boston consulate. With my fresh Visa in my passport, I then traveled to Brazil to finalize my process with the Policia Federal in Vit贸ria Esp铆rito Santo. (After arriving I had 30 days to report to the PF). This is the last step in the resident card process. After the photographing and fingerprints they issued me a hand scribbled protocol about the size of business card. With this protocol I was able to travel back to the USA and wait until my resident card was ready. In those times there was no online process to check when your card was ready. I recall having called them to see if it was ready. I guess now you can check online somehow. Good luck. I鈥檓 sure some more recent 鈥渞esidents鈥� will chime in.

@thetravelfox There are no restrictions on leaving.聽 The PF will give you a document that serves as a temporary CRNM while waiting for your card to arrive that you can use to re-enter the country.聽 Additionally, if you are from a tourist-waiver country or have a temporary Visa in your passport that is valid, you can also use that to re-enter.聽 There is a period of time you have to pick-up your permanent card, but I don't know what that is or how strictly it is enforced.聽 I avoided that by having a friend who I authorized to pick up my card with a Power of Attorney.聽 Then my friend used DHL to express ship the card to me.聽

Thanks again for all the feedback.聽 As you all know, there are a lot of moving parts with the move to Brazil and while I am sure there will be curveballs, I'm just trying to anticipate as many as I can!

While there are no restrictions on leaving, what is the rule regarding how many days in a calender year you can be out of Brasil on that visa ?

This doesn't affect my RNE as it has different and extraordinarily flexible rules, just more curious than anything. Thx.

Seems like its valid for a year. I guess one could exit/enter as many times during that year. See post related with Abthree remarks.

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@Gasparzinho 777 The VISA will always state the rules regarding entry, length of stay permitted and expiration date of the VISA.聽 For RN 40/2019 CNIG, it's a 1 year VISA, Multiple entries.聽 You have 90 days to get to the PF upon first entry to register.

The only rule I am aware of regarding absence from Brazil is in regards to residency.聽 If you are out of the country for longer than 2 years then you will lose your residency subject to appeal and review.聽 In other words, you'll need to have a very good reason.

So, it's the same as mine. You have to be in country at least 1 day every 2 years.

For whatever reason I thought they had changed the lax residency requirement of my VIPER as stated above to something much more stringent , such as, you could only leave Brasil for 30-45 days per year, etc, under the hew regime back in late 2017.

08/16/24聽 聽 So, it's the same as mine. You have to be in country at least 1 day every 2 years.For whatever reason I thought they had changed the lax residency requirement of my VIPER as stated above to something much more stringent , such as, you could only leave Brasil for 30-45 days per year, etc, under the hew regime back in late 2017.聽 聽 聽 聽 -@Gasparzinho 777

A holder of a VITEM XI would lose it after a year if they didn't request a CRNM from the Federal Police during that time.聽 While they're waiting for an approved card that hasn't聽 been delivered yet, apparently they can leave Brazil and return, at least for brief trips; what happens if the card isn't picked up for an extended period is unclear.

A CRNM holder with a valid card can be out of the country for up to two years and remain a resident, as long as the card doesn't expire during the absence.

The continuous residency period for a permanent resident who wants to apply for Ordinary Naturalization is broken by an unexcused absence of 90 days or more in a single year, or unexcused absences totally more than twelve months (assuming a required residency period of four years, less for shorter periods) during the required residency period.

Ah OK, that makes more sense and sort of aligns with what I had assumed for the newest version of the visa.

Going to start the migranteweb process this week as I'm not leaving Brasil ever again ;<)

Good morning to everyone.

So I'm here, in Florian贸polis - I eventually made it.

Thanks to everyone for the advice and support throughout this journey.

Getting my temporary RNM from the PF here was quick and easy, although I had to wait a month for an appointment, and you can do NOTHING as a gringo without that document.

Eventually managed to open a bank account, and now the hunt for an apartment begins.聽 I hope there's a thread here on that subject!

10/17/24 @kilobravo.聽 Welcome!聽 So glad that it worked out for you.聽 聽Good luck with your househunting, and your new life in Floripa.

Hi all - I am trying to budget about how much time I'll need back in the US to get my retirement visa processed and approved.聽 The San Francisco consulate's website states three weeks (I think it used to say one to three weeks), but I am curious if anyone here can relate their personal experience on how long it took from sending the documentation in the receiving the passport and visa back. Thank you.

@thetravelfox

I looked at their website section about visas (SF Brazil consulate) and the 3 week return quote seems to me to be too vague. In the section about the retirement visa, there鈥檚 no mention of processing time. However, at the bottom of the section there is the following statement:

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Probably not a bad idea to send them a question about the retirement visa processing time.

Good luck!

@thetravelfox So, I definitely have opinions on always having a Plan B etc., but I will just state the things that happened in getting my Brazilian Permanent Residency Visa. You will have your own takeaways. I will only caution that based on my life experience, there is a TREMENDOUS difference between what you may read or been told officially and REAL LIFE. Real Life can be much, much more complicated. Lean on those who have ACTUALLY done it.

1. I flew one way from Brazil (Fortaleza) to R.I. I did not know how long the trip would take, so I did not want to add a round-trip ticket to the complications. I rented a car at Logan Airport in Boston for about a week (this has its own story, since I did not realize how challenging a walk-up rental would be. Everyone was almost sold out of rentals with only electric vehicles left. I got lucky and was able to get a last-minute gas-powered Chevy SUV, but it was very, very iffy)
2. I went for my FBI Background Fingerprints at the R.I. UPS. (In case you have not been provided with the information, FBI Background checks, namely the FINGERPRINTS have to be done in the USA). The first day I found out that it was incredibly convenient if not necessary to have it done in the AM, because UPS is very, very busy in the afternoon. I came back the next day.
3. My Birth Certificate should have had the name change that I made years ago in college, but it was only changed in Washington, D.C. where I went to school and not in R.I. where I was born. This added several days to my USA trip since the Change Agent at the State Office which had initiated a change had a "medical issue" for a week and so I ended up a week behind.
4. I had to leave for DC since my hotel stay was up. Having the revised Birth Certificate paid for and sent to me in MD. required leaving some strategy instructions with the R.I. State Dept. There was a bit of wait for it to have the documents get to each department, paid for and sent to me in MD.聽 This probably added an extra week or so. I drove from R.I. to MD in the rental and then turned it in. (I had taken this trip a lot when I was in college, so it was no problem).
5. Thankfully I was able to stay with my daughter in MD. while I received the proper documents from the Brazilian Consulate in D.C. This actually took me at least a month. The DC Brazilian Consulate does not just let you walk in; they also don't take appointments. This was a MAJOR roadblock. Fortunately, I come from a Brazilian Family that has extensive contacts. We were able to find a native Brazilian in the area who formally worked for the Brazilian Consulate. She became our go-between and arranged our document submission to the DC Brazilian Consulate and finally the document necessary to come back to Brazil (I don't know the name of what we needed from the Brazilian Consulate. This is a @abthree knowledge thing.

In short, I was in the USA for about 3 months. The majority was unexpected and could not have been predicted by anyone. 馃槒

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