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@Richard Yan

WHAT?

How in the world is that possible ?  shared accommodations i would imagine ?

@bigpearl Well I can see you have good reason to switch but on the environmental side I personally believe your comments reflect successful programming of the leftist narrative that fossil fuels are killing the environment. It also happens to be true that an effective way to bring down capitalism is to deprive it of energy. We all have our own opinions of what society should look like I guess.

@Richard Yan guessing no air con... Maybe 1 fan, and a refrigerator?

Yes we all have opinions, like noses. I am a moderate and make my choices  based on my situation. This choice for a stand alone solar system is predominately based on economics, ROI. Over brown outs every 2 weeks, as I know like other thinking people the cost of fossil fuels will continue to increase. History doesn't lie.

The bonus is that I will be doing my little bit as an apparent leftist to help save on pollution and if I size the system properly means I can run as many A/C's when I want and charge an electric car once purchased, thus reducing the ROI on my investment and living an even more comfortable life as an apparent wealthy capitalist employing 9 to 10 guys for another 6 months.

All my choice and very happy to travel this path.

Can I ask? Obviously your programing is very different to mine but how can you not believe nor understand that not only fossil fuels but deforestation and polluted waterways choked with plastics and cr@p are not detrimental to our world?

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

@Richard Yan guessing no air con... Maybe 1 fan, and a refrigerator?
-@Wellsfry

An interesting observation, I will say though that one of our workers was paid last Saturday and asked Ben straight away for an advance of 1,000 pesos, apparently to pay the electricity bill, Ben asked him what his bill was,,,,,, 980 pesos. 4 people in one house, mother, husband, wife and one child 5 Y/O.

Go figure that one out.

I know that when I was working in Oz when Ben came over for a 6 week stint and we had relatives looking after the property the bill was only 1,500 pesos and turns out they were never here.

Cheers, Steve.

@bigpearl I must say... Solar is definitely a better choice, and much cleaner and less carbon footprint than the windmills being thrown up all over the northwest...

@bigpearl Steve,  I agree that less pollution is preferred and desirable. I would say that everyone would agree with that, until I saw the recent polls of around 39% saying Biden is doing a good job, so I would amend it to a lot of people would agree. I don't go along with the climate change agenda, cow farts, CO2 etc, especially when you have politicians in that crowd that say stupid things like Guam is going to tip over, or the sun doesn't have an effect on our climate. If a climate model could be designed that actually works.... A lot of the hype is based not only on faulty models, but bad observational data. In the US the National Weather Service has specs for the design and placement of weather monitoring stations. But there are thousands of them that are not installed per the specs. They're installed in large asphalt parking lots, on the sides of buildings under air conditioner exhausts, things like that. There is a website that has pictures of lots of these installations. I'm pretty confident in my assessment that this is not producing good data. Garbage in and you get garbage out. Remember the 70's?, there is an ice age coming, Opps. Then it was Global Warming, Opps. Let's just call it Climate Change.....except that the climate is always changing naturally. And what about the earth's revolution slowing down? Maybe the cows should all be faced to the east so the farts go west? How about feeding them the pink slime feed that reduces the flatulence by about 90%? So I do believe we should try to reduce our pollution. But I don't believe killing all the steaks on the hoof is the answer. Personally I think it's going to be fuel cell engines and new design nuclear plants....until Fusion finally becomes a thing. But the seas will probably rise and overwhelm us before that can happen.....we only have what?, 10 years left? Better get the dwindling population of polar bears (except it's not) heading south so they don't drown.

Dan

Yes we all have opinions, like noses. I am a moderate and make my choices based on my situation. This choice for a stand alone solar system is predominately based on economics, ROI. Over brown outs every 2 weeks, as I know like other thinking people the cost of fossil fuels will continue to increase. History doesn't lie.
The bonus is that I will be doing my little bit as an apparent leftist to help save on pollution and if I size the system properly means I can run as many A/C's when I want and charge an electric car once purchased, thus reducing the ROI on my investment and living an even more comfortable life as an apparent wealthy capitalist employing 9 to 10 guys for another 6 months.
All my choice and very happy to travel this path.

Can I ask? Obviously your programing is very different to mine but how can you not believe nor understand that not only fossil fuels but deforestation and polluted waterways choked with plastics and cr@p are not detrimental to our world?

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.
-@bigpearl

Sure. First please realize that not everybody is programmed as you seem to assume. Some people think independently of media narratives knowing that a political agenda is at play. Some people remember the days when we were provided critical thinking skills at the universities and some secondary schools. Once you learn critical thinking, it is hard to go back. It is hard to consider the New York times or, in the old days, Readers Digest, as a source for research. But I know the path of least resistance and social acceptance is to accept the political narrative of the day. What you say about single use plastics is true, obviously, but in itself does nothing to minimize the importance of stable, powerful and reliable energy sources in today's world. I really am not prepared to have society revert back to medieval times when wood was the primary energy source but a surprising number of "Earth first" proponents apparently are.

For some reason you put me in the negative box, left wing and opiniated, apparently programed? By you big time, my thoughts are mine and if different to yours? Get over it.

Spending 35/40 K on a self contained energy system is based on economics, seems very wise to get a 10 to 15% ROI for the next 10 years, perhaps more compared to my super going backwards and a thrilling 2 or 3% on my money invested in banks. For me simple math and smart thinking

No pollution aside from creating the panels and system because I'm sure they all use fossil fuels that we all never think about and for some the world will go on as it is.

Don't stereo type me into a genre/box as you don't know me and appears you only know one way of thinking,,,, your way.

Cheers, Steve.

I guess one size doesn't all when it comes green energy, save the world for future generations, warming of the planet, cooling of the planet, disrupting the weather, famine. . . .all this chatter cannot extend to infinity, not that we run out of chatter because we never run out of infinity.

Elon Musk has rushed into electric cars forcing other companies to do. There are now 113,600 charging outlets and 46,290 stations in the USA. People who rent and people whose charge is running out have to use the charging outlets and only 20% are equipped for quick charge in two hours.

Those other 80% takes hours and hours to charge. Meanwhile you may have to wait hours and hours in line in order to charge your vehicle.

When your battery is running low (last few miles) whatever you are doing has to stop and now you hope you can find or make it to the next closest charging station.

If somebody wants to go solar for infinite reasons it's their money. ROI is fine and wait many years, but ingenious as the human mind is soon there will be better systems and maybe the new ROI will cut in half the time. So while your neighbor bought that new system years later, he reached his ROI and you're only half way to your ROI.

Just look at history, telegraph and postal service replaced by internet, over the air TV became cable and soon all satellite. Wright Brothers to Boeing, Sputnik to landing on Mars, Wernher Von Braun V2's to Voyager leaving the solar system.

Friends we were born too soon.

For some reason you put me in the negative box, left wing and opiniated, apparently programed? By you big time, my thoughts are mine and if different to yours? Get over it.
Spending 35/40 K on a self contained energy system is based on economics, seems very wise to get a 10 to 15% ROI for the next 10 years, perhaps more compared to my super going backwards and a thrilling 2 or 3% on my money invested in banks. For me simple math and smart thinking
No pollution aside from creating the panels and system because I'm sure they all use fossil fuels that we all never think about and for some the world will go on as it is.
Don't stereo type me into a genre/box as you don't know me and appears you only know one way of thinking,,,, your way.

Cheers, Steve.
-@bigpearl

I was only answering the question that you yourself posed to me. I suggest you refrain from asking questions if you are not prepared for an answer you don't like but...I suspect you expected the answer I gave you so you could continue the virtue signaling.  For some reason you give all of the right economic reasons for installing a solar system but then topped it up with the controversial global warming narrative as if to further justify the expenditure and to solicit plaudits of sorts  for being a good disciple of the env religion. In that way you can say you are not only spending 40K to help yourself but indeed you are helping to save the world. In my opinion, you are simply reducing your power bill and dealing with brownouts but nothing more and that is fine. But I do not buy the illusion of your reducing climate change; mankind simply doesn't have that kind of influence over nature. Sure, you are reducing pollution and for that you get a gold star. By bringing up this topic, which is known to be controversial, you put some of us (not all) in a position as to stay silent and pretend to agree with the leftist myth. I could have done that but I wasn't in the mood lol. And when I was challenged by your question, you must have known at that point the my response would not be to your liking. It is OK to virtue signal your love for Mother Earth but do not imply that those who do not agree with you are on the wrong side of science. I do happen to be an engineer/scientist, you begged an additional response from me and you got one. Cheers   

Perhaps we should both agree to disagree and move forward?

Cheers, Steve.

danfinn excerpts . . . . .(1) controversial global warming (2) the illusion of your reducing climate change; mankind simply doesn't have that kind of influence over nature.

People can believe what they want to believe, some draw their own conclusions, some just believe other peoples conclusions and some don't give a hoot.

Myself . . . There are six billion people on this planet, if 100 million did everything to reduce global warming and tried to change mother nature, they would fail.

Mans existence on this planet say in the last million years is just a blip in time. People living today are just a blip of a blip in the last million years. Any conclusions from these blips proves some some intelligent people are not very smart.

This post is not pointed at anyone.

Near enough to 8 billion people and quite possibly you are right Bob, humans on this planet are one second of occupation in 4 odd billion years.

Point for me and only me is the rising energy costs that won't stop, for someone like me that has retired I won't get wage increases to combat the ever rising costs of electricity and fuel for the car and bikes let alone overall inflation rises

Economically solar independence makes sense.

As for climate change? Been happening for billions of years without Homo Sapiens. My wake up call was living in Manila 11/12 years ago on the 7th floor in a condo. Every week was a cleaning episode for the black grime deposited within the condo from the diesel/petrol engines that run the world.

I don't have the grime problem here in the province only an 18.27 per Kwh electricity bill and double the price to fill up the motors here from 3 years ago, that adds up especially for those that can least afford it with stagnant wages here.

Here it comes Bob, OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Near enough to 8 billion people and quite possibly you are right Bob, humans on this planet are one second of occupation in 4 odd billion years.
Point for me and only me is the rising energy costs that won't stop, for someone like me that has retired I won't get wage increases to combat the ever rising costs of electricity and fuel for the car and bikes let alone overall inflation rises
Economically solar independence makes sense.
As for climate change? Been happening for billions of years without Homo Sapiens. My wake up call was living in Manila 11/12 years ago on the 7th floor in a condo. Every week was a cleaning episode for the black grime deposited within the condo from the diesel/petrol engines that run the world.
I don't have the grime problem here in the province only an 18.27 per Kwh electricity bill and double the price to fill up the motors here from 3 years ago, that adds up especially for those that can least afford it with stagnant wages here.

Here it comes Bob, OMO.

Cheers, Steve.
-@bigpearl

All well and good for you Steve, only a small minority can afford to spend thousands of $$$ to be able to reduce their electrical energy costs. The real solution is to reduce the production cost of electrical energy at the source so everyone benefits. Maybe the development of geothermal energy as we sit on the ring of fire.

As per the black grime, lots of it is transported in the upper atmosphere, some of it comes from sources thousands of miles away. The west coast of California experiences pollution form China.

Myself I've mostly solved the indoor pollution by using commercial and DIY air purifiers. It even reduces the cost of my aircon maintenance and electric consumption. (Reducing the dust clogging in the air intake of the aircon.)

Unfortunately we will not be around to see & use the marvel new sources of energy which will be developed.

I spent almost USD $22k for my system, 21,000 watts in PV panels, 16 kW Hybrid inverter and 2 15 kWH batteries. I designed the system, bought everything myself, and installed it. The system supports my entire house and acts as a UPS. My PV panels are large and heavy, 39 kg each. I spent $150 to pay 4 people to install 30 panels on my raised ground mount system and to make concrete piers on each of my 12 ground screws. The piers were to add ballast weight to the system. Since my meter was read last Saturday (14998) as of today I've used 11 kWH (15009 today), I expect that to go down as I was doing some testing. Will the use of this system help the environment, I doubt it will be a blip. Will it help my families budget over the years? Well, that is the plan. Will it help with the brownouts? So far it's gotten us through 5 of them. We had 3 in one day which is very unusual for our area, usually about 1 or 2 scheduled a month. I have my system setup to use the battery as the PV production declines below the load and they recharge in the morning. And I enjoyed educating myself on solar, putting it in and seeing it work.

I hear you Bob but the investments verses the returns overall? Simple math. Fossil fuel generated electrical suppliers and petroleum companies will squeeze every dime out of you because they see the writing on the wall. Historical figures don't lie with price rises and the profits made since the war in Ukraine from memory has doubled but they will never pass that onto the consumer in a million years.

Those perhaps that don't have the cash to splash? Borrow the money at 4 or 5% long term and gain 10 to 15% return with a correctly sized system no different to the stock market and long term strategies.

Yet again, OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Steve said . . . . . .Those perhaps that don't have the cash to splash? Borrow the money at 4 or 5% long term and gain 10 to 15% return with a correctly sized system no different to the stock market and long term strategy

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Only a small majority have the cash to splash and those that have the cash may have reasons not to take that path.

(1) They may be only renters.

(2) They feel there is a chance they won't live in the house long term.

(3) With an Expats age they may not be around (divorce or death) when the system is paid for.

(4) They not have good enough credit for a major loan.

(6) They may not be able to afford the payments.

(7) Borrow money at 5% or 6% not likely closer to 10% to 14% in the Philippines.

Bob.

As a renter?

(1)  Not a consideration.

The may feel there is a chance they won't live in the house long term.

(2) Renters forget it, property owners installing solar systems ad value the property for resale more than an initial investment to the right punter.

Age? Up to the individual.

(3) Age matters little we all die but what we leave behind does matter whether wife or family.

OMO, there it is again Bob. One doesn't need to spend huge amounts of money to negate an electricity bill.

(4) No cash or credit? Keep paying your electricity bill.

(5) As above.

No Idea Bob the lending rates here but as an Expat site I'm sure members can easily avail funds within their country of origin at 3 or 4%, maybe more now with the reserve pushing up rates another 3/4%. In the scheme of things matters little and is an individual choice.

(6) Don't do it and keep paying the electricity bill.

(7) Not my choice and don't need but any who do? Research and do your sums.

Bob I did this in Australia and well under 3 years to get my money back then saving AU2K per year and that was only a 5KWh system, been there.

Cheers, Steve.

More than 99.9% of peer-reviewed scientific papers agree that climate change is mainly caused by humans. This is according to a 2021 survey of 88,125 climate-related studies. It is only politicians and their loyalists that disagree. I’ve worked as starving biologist in the field of ichthyology and I know the painstaking, thankless work that goes into collecting data and doing everything possible to eliminate human error so I go with the scientists.

What if virtually all the climate scientists in the world are wrong? Doesn’t matter at all to me, the fact is the world is warming and we can do something about it if we all get on the same page. Fixing it is more important than debating the cause. There is nothing wrong with trying to reduce pollution even if it doesn’t help global warming.

It is true that the climate has always been changing but when it changes as quickly as it is currently there has been an event. Something like an asteroid or super volcano will do it. Burning fossil fuel throughout the industrial revolution is an event.

It is predicted that at the current rate of usage we will run out of crude and natural gas this century, coal may last until the middle of the next century. Should we wait until the oil rigs start sucking air to act? I would love to see the US on the cutting edge of renewable energy technology. The Koch brothers would not.

Regardless I'm doing what is right for me and my forbears, financially based primarily, I am not stupid and care little for some opinions and appreciate the thought and wisdom from others.

The world will keep turning with or without our species.

Cheers, Steve.

Perhaps we should both agree to disagree and move forward?
Cheers, Steve.
-@bigpearl

Sure but next time you bring up political controversies you can be assured I disagree with any position based on ideology rather than facts. As you wish, I will not challenge you anymore. It is clear you don't like challenges and I can understand that, ideology being what it is. Cheers, Dan.

Moon Dog said . . . . It is predicted that at the current rate of usage we will run out of crude and natural gas this century, coal may last until the middle of the next century. Should we wait until the oil rigs start sucking air to act? I would love to see the US on the cutting edge of renewable energy technology. The Koch brothers would not.
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So we will run out of oil by 2299 ? (End of century)

Run out of coal by 2350? (Middle of next century)

In 1874 it was predicted we would run out of oil in 1878.

In 1914 it was predicted we would run out of oil in 1920

In 1970's it was predicted we would run out of oil in 2000

In 1976 Jimmy Carter said we would run out of oil in 2011

In 2006 The Cambridge Energy Research Assoc. estimated we have three times the oil as believed as in 1999.

The only consistent thing is these knowledgeable pundits keep moving the goalposts.

OK mate, it was you that raised political or free thinking in your post #196 and seems you can't let it go, bee in your bonnet like another guy here, a biting terrier. We all are free thinkers here and agree to disagree and learn from one another, not attacking world views nor religious or private beliefs. Some ways to go yet it seems.

Cheers, Steve.

Yes Bob and the world for hundreds of years was flat, don't get too close to the edge. So much for scientists.

Don't get into free thinking people, won't go down well.

Cheers, Steve.

Yes Bob and the world for hundreds of years was flat, don't get too close to the edge. So much for scientists.
Don't get into free thinking people, won't go down well.

Cheers, Steve.
-@bigpearl

How do you Aussies walk without falling off the world? World maps show Australia is on the bottom side of the world.

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Cheers Steve.

@Enzyte Bob

But do you know why the estimates continued to be corrected? I think you don’t have a clue. I’ll give you a hint, new oil fields were discovered! Besides the fact that enhanced oil recovery methods like fracking and steam injection were developed to harvest the hard to get oil. Old Spindletop started the Texas oil boom but today it is just a museum. There are still a few nodding donkey stripper wells but Spindletop is kaput. When the first well came in it blew a 100,000 barrel a day gusher for 9 days. I haven’t seen a gusher for a while, have you?

John Paul Getty had a vision that sweet crude would run out and refineries would be forced to run heavy, sour crude. He designed his refinery in Delaware City, Delaware to run heavy crude and it was the first sour crude refinery, and he was right. That was in 1956.  That refinery would have problems running sweet crude because the gasoline section of the crude unit couldn’t handle the amount of straight run gasoline that comes directly off the crude. I worked at that refinery for over 23 years, 17 years at the crude unit. Today they are bringing oil in on rail cars from the Canadian oil sand fields which is proving to be hard on rotating equipment.

I left the refinery and went to work as an FSR and analyst for Dresser-Rand. My specialty was compressors. Compressors used to pressurize oil wells to force the oil to the surface that otherwise could not be pumped. My last job before retiring was assembling two 10,000 hp compressors on a module at Hyundai Heavy Industries in South Korea. The modules were put on an ocean barge and floated to the North Slope of Alaska. I spent several months at the slope living in a barracks commissioning the compressors. ExxonMobil discovered a natural gas well offshore that contains 8.3 trillion standard cubic feet of natural gas. They had to angle drill 15,000 feet down to tap into the gas which is at 10,000 psi naturally. They are not even interested in the gas, all they want is the light hydrocarbon that will condense out when the gas is depressured. The propose of the compressors is to pump the dry gas back into the well, or else they would have to flare it.

All these methods were not available when earlier estimates were published but technology has done a good job of catching up. I don’t believe there is a lot of undiscovered oil or gas in the ground. Maybe there is, but I wouldn’t count on it these days. We are refining 100 million barrels a day, there is not an unlimited amount, it will run out, if not in 50 years maybe 100 years, but by then it will no longer be affordable. The sun is good for 5 billion years or so, and it’s free.

@Moon Dog I'm aware of all that, you could have saved yourself a lot of typing.

Your last paragraph in post #220 did not take that under consideration, so I did not take it under consideration.

I wanted to compare apples to apples.

If you compare apples to oranges take in consideration the future few remaining gas cars will get better mileage before 2299.

When the oil is suppose to run out almost all cars will be electric for years, so the limited oil you refer to will not run out 2299.

Again interesting and informative Moon Dog

Thanks for explaining this, "My specialty was

compressors ... The propose of compressors

is to pump the dry gas back into the well .. or

else they would have to flare it." Thus you've

certainly done this planet a significant favour,

so we appreciate your professional expertise.

@Enzyte Bob Don't worry about saving me typing. I took typing in high school, the only guy in the class! I later honed the skill with free Mavis Beacon courses provided by the refinery. I can type faster than I can think, keeps the typos to a minimum.

Lol Moon Dog, I am a little old school and while Ben types 55/60 words a minute I type about 10 with 3 fingers and he constantly laughs at my 3 finger attempts. Works for me as an old tradie. my bonus is I am a lot more literate than he is.

Back on topic and the crux of the OP's post my next Luelco bill comes in 4 days and I know it won't go down in price per Kwh. Time to grab my goolies as pilothdrh has done and put my money where my mouth is and start saving money. Like buying a house I suppose, only appreciate in value.

Cheers, Steve.

@Moon Dog They offered a typing/short hand course in High School. For some reason I wanted to learn short hand. After the class started they dropped the short hand, I was irked. All manual typewriters (1973), I was in the 10th grade. Well who knew how handy that would come in later. I used to do about 45 wpm. I still touch type to this day.

@bigpearl Don't size the system just based on your load, you'll need extra for battery charging. And don't forget that you probably won't be getting the rated output out of your panels, especially if they are spread out on the roof. My batteries are usually charging about 12 - 14 kW in the morning and are done around 1000 hrs. It gets a lot cloudier in the afternoon so my production drops to a few thousand watts. I currently have 18.9 kWp of PV panels connected (I disconnected one 700 watt panel in each string for testing) and the highest DC input I've seen is 16.45 kw, that comes to 609 watts per panel. It may have produced more but my batteries were probably at the recharge current limit and my house load was about 3.25 kW.

I'm thinking 20Kwh of panels and at least 15 to 20 Kwh battery  back up. I had only a 5 Kwh system in Oz (grid tied so sell back) And my bill dropped from 6 to 7 hundred bucks a quarter (billed every 3 months in Oz) to 150 to 200 per quarter and we were running a 90/100K litre wet edge pool with 2 x 1.5 Hp pumps and electric hot water that I put on a timer, dumped the electric meter for heating water and took advantage of the excess power in the middle of the day and knocked 80 bucks a quarter off the bill also and the electrician only charged me 200 bucks for the change over, under 3 billing cycles I recouped my investment.

I have approached solar companies here x many times over the years and they either don't service my area or offer stupidity as an answer to my asks, dubious about going with Amazon as you suggest as I have never dealt with them but perhaps time to learn, we are never too old for that.

The Double garage is about 2 months from completion where I intend to house batteries, inverter/s and controllers but the panels will go on the main house that is a scillion roof with an east (morning) west orientation so my thoughts, split the insallation 50/50.

My house in Oz was magnetic north and simply placed the 5 Kwh of panels there to the north. The roof pitch here is about 22 Degrees similar to Australia.

As for sizing and currently with the 9 workers living here 6 days a week the last bill was like 11,500 divide 18.27 per Kwh  =  roughly 630 kwh used for the month, traditionally for years 350 to 400 Kwh per month or extrapolating the max, 13.3 Kwh per day. My 5 Kwh system in Oz returned 16 to 24 per day depending on the weather, I was sunshine coast Oz and very similar to here with sun and cloud.

So add an electric car/ charging, we don't do many miles and running an extra 2.5 HP inverter in the living room 6 or 10 hours a day is where I came up with my figures and some spare.

Perhaps I'm looking at this the wrong way?

A 5 Kw  Honda generator for back up is sitting here and rarely used to be wired in also.

Time will reveal as the local businesses can't.

Cheers, Steve.

@bigpearl I don't recall saying anything about Amazon. My bill ran about 37 kWH per day (1100 a month). 4 adults, 2 10 year olds. My In-Laws just use a fan in their room. Ceiling fans upstairs are inverter powered and draw a max of 35 watts on the highest of the 6 speeds, usually run on 2 or 3. Water heaters used in each bathroom, the water gets pretty chilly here, based on 2 scoops in Manila to adapt, here it would be 5 or 6 scoops at least. When we had brownouts my wife would heat up water on the stove for her shower...LOL. The twins run a 1 hp aircon about 10 - 11 hrs a night, down to 10 now since they go to school face to face. When they were in school online they ran a 1 hp aircon in their classroom for about 5 hrs. A 2.5 hp aircon running in the master bedroom 24/7. One of the 3 ton floor standing aircons on once in a while. Then the rice cooker on all the time. Coffee maker. Washer and Dryer runs a few hours a week. Big Screen TV. laptops, phones, etc. Of course our load is light through the night, probably 6 hours where the load is around 900 - 1000 watts running on battery. Battery is partially powering the house from about 1530 until the light is gone and then the PV is mostly producing enough power by (usually) 0630 - 0700 to power the house and start on the recharge. I have 2 15 kWH batteries that generally go down to about 51 - 52 volts overnight. I have it set to recharge from the grid if it drops below 50 between 0100 and 0700 hrs, hasn't happened yet. Low battery shutdown is 48 volts. I'm waiting for a 485 adapter so I can upgrade the firmware in the BMS on my batteries, hopefully that will enable the inverter and BMS to communicate. Then I can use SOC for the batteries instead of voltage.

@bigpearl I understand that getting net metering to sell back here varies a lot in both the time for approval and the cost. I've seen 3 months to 2 years and 50k to 100k. Plus the credit is very low. Most of chatter I see from Filipinos, especially in the provinces, is they aren't willing to do net metering. The way they look at is we give the DU power for centavos and they sell it for pesos, just making them richer. I think there is a lot of renewable available but it's not in the power company's interest to make it easy or worthwhile. I'm grid tied but I don't export.

Rate and usage continues to drop. Today's bill is P10,801 for 575 KWHs which is P18.78 per KWH.

I'm surprised the usage dropped by 29 KWHs. We started a new project so this billing period has some welding and my cut off saw was running a lot cutting rebar. We did have a planned 12 hour outage that would account for about a 10 KWH reduction.

Yep, having 9 to 10 workers living here certainly pushed up our electricity bill, welders, drop saws, drills, concrete vibrators, refrigerator, 2 x rice cookers for lunch and then dinner, lights and charging etc. Up by 40 %.

4 lights left on over night because of the potential Wak Waks adds up to 12 Kwh per month but they are happy as no Wak Waks to date.

Cheers, Steve.

Yep, having 9 to 10 workers living here certainly pushed up our electricity bill, welders, drop saws, drills, concrete vibrators, refrigerator, 2 x rice cookers for lunch and then dinner, lights and charging etc. Up by 40 %.
4 lights left on over night because of the potential Wak Waks adds up to 12 Kwh per month but they are happy as no Wak Waks to date.
Cheers, Steve.
-@bigpearl

We have not had any wak waks in the area ever since typhoon odette.