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Never seen a Wak Wak, ghost nor apparition in 12 years here nor Australia, here only typhoons x 2 and earthquakes x 2 one in Manila 6 odd years ago and one recently here.

The Ineptitude of the workers here probably raises my blood pressure (nope checked yesterday and 125/80) but leaving the lights on overnight? Cutting rebar 2 or 3 times because they can't measure properly and every time they recut is 2,400 watts.

Doing what they want and not listening obviously pushes my power bill up.

Cheers, Steve.

My latest Meralco Electric bill arriving today (November 24, 2022.)

P10,626

952 KWH

P11.16 per KWH

Delivered by wak waks.

Great Kwh rate Bob. How much if not delivered by Wak Waks?

Cheers, Steve.

@bigpearl Ineptitude....It's as if someone told them how to do it a few years ago and this was their first time actually doing it. Watching, and paying attention, to a few you tube videos would improve the quality. Measuring with a string would probably be more productive. I think it's all a pervasive "good enough" bahala na culture. I've run into similar in the US but it's a lot less common. I hired a handyman from Angie's List to fix some moulding on the columns on my patio. He did a terrible job and I told him to correct it or I would stop payment on the check. He said he would not do it. So I gave him a bad review. He was upset about that and said he would come back to my house and take off what he had done and leave it like that. I said you can come back and do the job right. Anything else and I will press charges, I had a picture of his drivers license next to the check. So he came back and did the work properly. I had already moved out, the house was for sale and I hadn't notice the problem or I would have fixed it. He wanted me to remove the review but I told him no. I said you should leave well enough alone or I will amend my review to include your threats. And in the future do your work properly.

Yeah ineptitude comes from the inept, telling them x equals x 2 or 5 years agon one can understand mistakes, Telling them in the morning and two hours later telling them again and paying for the mistakes? Daily?

Sorry to be off topic but on reflection with the topic. If my electric bill stays at near PHP 11K then solar and batteries are a no brainer.

Cheers, Steve.

@bigpearl We have to learn patience because getting mad doesn't do anything good. Evidently we also have to absorb a little of the "bahala na" to survive.

@Bukidnonkane How much do you think your computer costs you per month for electricity?

@Enzyte Bob I wonder if anybody vents the older refrigerators heat to the outside to save on electric bill.

@Enzyte Bob I wonder if anybody vents the older refrigerators heat to the outside to save on electric bill.
-@Lat61

I don't know about that, but on my refrigerator the heat is dissipated on the outside walls of the refrigerator?? At times it's very warm to the touch.

My November meralco bill is 1462 peso.

My November meralco bill is 1462 peso.
-@Richard Yan

Sounds like you are never at home.

Cheers, Steve.

Jealous Bob.

Cheers, Steve.

Well this thread is so long, I decided to read it again as it's up to # 253. I got tired after reading the first 25. I guess it is safe to say that Richard post #250 electric bill of P1462 is not a record.

Capicornrising said his electric bill is P700-P800 and lives on P12,000 a month. He wonders how any of us Walk or Make Posts because we are paying an arm & leg.

Manwonder pays less than less than  P1,000 for electric.

We should tack on 15% for all of the above because of inflation.

A lot of posters spend more on smokes, alcohol & sex than Capicornising monthly budget.

Never saw him again for a long time.

Cheers, Steve.

@Enzyte Bob I don't smoke since I retired. I generally have a couple of beers a year. Now sex...yes, sex is expensive. Any of you that are married understand that.

Electric bill today. 112 kWH @ 1,738.28 = Php 15.52 per kWH. About 10% of the utility usage before I put my solar system in.

Electric bill today. 112 kWH @ 1,738.28 = Php 15.52 per kWH. About 10% of the utility usage before I put my solar system in.
-@pilotdrh

I think thats 's great but I thought you went stand alone? Seems your system is not big enough for your usage but still a great reduction.

Cheers, Steve.

@bigpearl My system is big enough but I found an issue with the inverter firmware. Apparently the latest version of the firmware hasn't been setup for the 16kW yet. The max solar power I can set is 18,000 watts, spec is 20,800 watts. I also found that the inverter will trip with an output between 11.2 and 11.5 kW when offgrid, ongrid I loaded it up to about 15kW without a trip. Deye is "working" on it. So the overload trip is why I stay grid tied.

Ah. Thought you were off grid, my bad.

Cheers, Steve.

@pilotdrh Just a question: Is it possible that the firmware takes into account the storage capacity of the li-ion batteries as a safety measure? These batteries have a maximum discharge rate and if that rate is exceeded the batteries overheat and can cause a (big) fire. Do you think by adding a few more batteries the firmware would allow a higher trip level? I don't know if the firmware is told or somehow knows the battery configuration in your case. Ciao.

@danfinn In the battery settings you enter the battery rating, a discharge rate and a charge rate. In my case for each of my 2 300 AH batteries the recommended charge/discharge is 120 amps per battery, so 240 amps. The Deye 16kW has a max charge/discharge rating of 290 amps. If you set it up with a battery using a BMS then the BMS controls the rate. I use 100 amps for my charge though, 50 amps per battery. I originally was using 240 (120 per batt) amps and they would charge in the morning in about 3 hours. At 50 it's generally about 5 hours, of course it varies depending on the solar power. I don't charge using the grid unless the voltage gets below 48.5 at night. With my 600 AH capacity I have a recommended output capacity of 12kW on the batteries. When I was testing the output over current trip the power was being provided by the solar array and the battery. Each of my batteries is rated for 10 kW for 15 seconds, 6 kW is the recommended output. So with 2 it would be 20 kW/6 kW. But my inverter rating is 16 kW off grid, using solar, batteries or a combo. It also has a peak off grid rating of 32 kW for 5 seconds. I bought this inverter because it is a beast. I wanted a Sol-Ark 15kW (basically the same and built by Deye) but it would have cost me about $6k more. I would love to get my hands on the program and software to fix it myself. I did a lot of softload, peak shaving and cogen using multi meg turbines and diesels in my old job. And in reference to your experience I did a landfill job where they had to replace the compressors. They were variable pressure but not suction. When I was starting up the system I found that the gens would shutdown due to low BTU content on the gas and high oxygen content. The compressors were sucking air through the landfill.

Nice system Pilot, I will have to read later to absorb all the details you have graciously provided. Great job on that - the proof is in the pudding. Seems to me that whether one whacks off the entire bill or only most of it, the most effective bang for the buck is to shave off the part of the bill that reflects the higher tiered rates.

@pilotdrh Thanks so much for the information! I think I could run my place with 15KVA based on the rating of the transformer supplied by noreco.

@pilotdrh I've done a few landfill jobs myself, mostly Houston and Detroit. Houston is/was using the old Ingersoll Rand KV integral engines which are amazing old dinosaurs. The 4 compressor cylinders share the crankshaft with the engine's 12 power cylinders. The engine has a bore and stoke of 16.25" x 18" and runs at 300 rpms. They typically recover about 9 million standard cubic feet per day and end up with half that amount of methane after processing the gas, enough for 15,000 Houston homes. A certain amount is fuel for the compressors. No odor complaints if you can keep negative pressure on the landfill.

The landfills are huge manmade mountains and covered with sod. They love it when it rains because that helps seal the surface and minimizes the amount of surface air being drawn in.

The Detroit landfill was plainly visible when you stepped out of the compressor building. The garbage trucks on top of the heap looked like ants. They must do a good job of sealing that one because when the compressors trip they flare a lot of gas, really lights up the night sky.

@Moon Dog The one I referenced is in Prince Georges county Maryland. As I recall it had 4 Waukesha gens, 1 was dual fuel. That one would start on Propane and its output was used to start the compressors. Then the other gens would start. Then the first gen would be switched over to the landfill. The engine controllers were made by a company named Murphy and I recall hoping they wouldn't be an issue. All of my controls to it were over modbus. As I recall they said once the landfill was capped it would produce usable gas for a century afterwards. This site wasn't far from Andrews AFB. It was strange seeing these big gens with spark plug leads on them.

My latest electric bill is 17.50 pesos per Kwh. here in Bohol.  Quite dear indeed but my home has a solar system which lessens the grid consumption…. GO SOLAR is the ideal way here in the Philippines….John Fischer

@johntatafischer I agree.

Our first "full" bill at our beachhouse with all "normal" appliances running.... new 1.5 horse inverter Samsung split air con in the upstairs master(on about 10-12 hours each night), new Preasure tank on well on and off every day all day, and newish full size (25cu ft) samsung inverter refrigerator...(no air con needed in the downstairs living, dine or kitchen areas due to constant breeze off the ocean) total was 6,520p... for me... not bad since zero monthly mortgage, however I will investigate installing a solar system in the next year or two. 

In Davao de Oro i now payed a new high,  82kwh in one month for 1400 pesos. Thats 17 pesos or 0.30 Euro. So PH moved into the top 5 high energy cost countries together with Germany, Denmark, Spain, UK and Italy.

Can can simple Filipinos survive all this inflation, except the few ones who are pushing it higher and higher for more profit.

Can can simple Filipinos survive all this inflation, except the few ones who are pushing it higher and higher for more profit.
-@Lothar Scholz

For some who grew up in the Phillipines with less resources, they do not even feel there's a difference. It is just another day. For those who had resources (money) and expats from first world countries, it may seem very difficult.

Today's children feels it is the end of the world if the internet is down.

Got my bill today 925 peso no Aircon, just hot and cold water dispenser fans, ref, I use solar lights

The AC in our main living room broke down last August.  It is on at least 6-8 hours a day typically for months, yet We were never in any urgency to have it fixed. Somehow we've survived since then by having the main bay windows open during the peak time of the day, along with some other changes to improve the flow of fresh air coming in from outside to other rooms of the house,  and in doing so have seen a drastic reduction in our Electric bill by almost 50% (going from approximately 4,500.00 a month down to just over 2,000.)   

Can't help but feeling a sense of delight when receiving the bill lately haha

Though, as we approach the summer season,  I do expect to see the bill to go up as we'll probably have another AC unit in a different room on much more often...I have a feeling we're going to bite the bullet and get that AC in the living room fixed.

That's good Okieboy, here though we run 3 to 5 A/c's every day, the bill from Luelco is the meter charge @ 2.8 pesos but a stand alone system dropped the bill. Expensive but ROI and no black outs.

We used to run one A/C unit in the master bedroom 12/16 hours a day as well as running the home/workers accommodation and the bill was 10/11K per month, now with an average of 4 A/C's and house less than 3 pesos per month, the firmware shows we are now saving around 600 pesos per day, !8 K per month and pumping in 45 to 50 Kwh per day and the system throttles back by 1 PM, I'm sure we can get 55 Kw plus if we fired up more appliances and another AC unit, Still experimenting with loads but so far happy with the investment. No more power outages and no more power bills aside from the meter charge.

Cheers, Steve.

My last electric bill was p8800 and I jumped for joy. Then went to hospital with cardiac arrest for over exerting myself.

Lash out Larry and chuck a solar system in, no more heart failures.

Cheers, Steve.

Since installing solar last August.... About 500 - 1000 per month.

Excellent timing of Oakboy post . . .  .

Backtracking a little over a month ago I replaced my five year old inverter 1.5 hp to a 2.5 hp (dc inverter) air conditioner.

The following is not scientific  analysis:

On my post #5 . . .       822 kwh,      P9.5 kwh,        Total Bill P7847

On my post #19 . . .     933 kwh,      P9.6 kwh,       Total Bill P8993

On my post#126 . . .    990 kwh,      P10.76 kwh,    Total Bill P10,764

On my post # 174 . . .  912 kwh,      P11.8 kwh,      Total Bill P10,101

On my post #242 . . .   952 kwh,      P11.16 kwh,    Total Bill P10626

On this post #277 . . .  692 kwh,     P12.5 kwh,       Total Bill P8654

With my previous 1.5 hp inverter the average consumption was 902 kwh, with my new 2.5 hp DC inverter my usage is 692 kwh, a reduction of 210 KWH for one month.

@bigpearl

sounds very interesting could you tell me what materials i would need and rough cost of instalation plz

    @bigpearl
sounds very interesting could you tell me what materials i would need and rough cost of instalation plz
   

    -@renegadesric529

Rene, go to searches and you will find lots on solar, perhaps try  "My solar experience in a video"

Good luck.

Cheers, Steve.

Before adding solar, our monthly bill averaged 25k (pesos) each month.  Since we added a net-metering solar system 16 months ago, it runs around 13k, which isn't bad since we've had a lot of cloud cover over the past six months.  The solar dropped our monthly AKELCO kWH from 2,178 kWH/mo to 1,341 kWH/mo.