禁漫天堂

read what i wrote if you have capacity to understand.

we are taking abt incomes, you are talking abt payments. vat and sct are different.

@Borraro I will not find a financial advisor, I will leave before pension. Just give us a reference that people do not have to pay taxes on pensions, loads of articles that pensions are to be taxed (inclusicve capital gains, pensions etc) from for example PWC and Deloitte. Where is the proof that we are exempted.

I do not speak Turkish but what I see so far is not comforting. Certainly if foreign pensions are exempted there must be a reference to the law?

Hello everyone,

Please note that several posts have been put aside from this thread.

@cdw057, please follow Borraro's advice, he is one of our most helpful members though he doesn't have any obligation to respond.

@everyone, Let us keep this thread cordial.

Thank you

Bhavna

i m not an expert, trying to help, texting by means of "as far as i know". but the offensive ones with big full mouths of silly wordings on every single title are trying their best to be kicked in the a**.

I probably have to apologize, dificult I did not find articles (anymore) that pensioners have to pay tax. I wil continue to research though

Thanks for your feedback though

@Borraro I will not find a financial advisor, I will leave before pension. Just give us a reference that people do not have to pay taxes on pensions, loads of articles that pensions are to be taxed (inclusicve capital gains, pensions etc) from for example PWC and Deloitte. Where is the proof that we are exempted.
I do not speak Turkish but what I see so far is not comforting. Certainly if foreign pensions are exempted there must be a reference to the law?
-@cdw057

I've searched the web for sources to substantiate that retired expats in Turkiye are not subject to taxation by the Turkish government on pensions. These sources are not official however all of the sources echo the same advisement as Borraro has asserted:

Go to the 2:45 minute mark and the 8:31 minute mark.

Short video on retiring in Turkey

Go to the 0:25 minute mark

Refer to section 鈥淭ax Considerations for Retirement in Turkey鈥�

Refer to Section 鈥淲hy Retire in Turkey?鈥�

For expats who are not retired and have sources of income from their home country, there are also agreements between many countries and Turkey to resolve the issue of being taxed twice on income at the website and click on "T脺RK陌YE'N陌N SONU脟LANDIRDI臑I VERG陌 ANLA艦MALARI L陌STES陌" but the language is in Turkish. The home website is The parts of the website of interest is written in legalese and I would recommend pursuing legal consultation. I dare say that investment income would not be scrutinized unless we elect to report it to the Turkish government.

So cdw057, it appears that we are not burdened with taxation on our pension and we can relax and enjoy the good life of retirement.

@Gino_C Thanks for the research, my concern remains, lets see in 3 years time.

@Fandango2020 my wife and I are planning to sale everything if we can find a buyer and move out鈥�

@Gino_C are you still considering retirement in Alanya? My wife and I we bought a house back in 2017, we have been living between the U.S. and Alanya for the last few years鈥�wish you the best if you decide to make that leap.

@hanialturk73

I still have very strong intentions to move to Turkey but my destination will be Eskisehir.聽 We cannot tolerate the summer heat of the coast and prefer the cold which is why we currently live in Minneapolis.聽 The climate in Eskisehir, its size, progressive culture and the general vibes fits the bill for us.聽 We are fed up with the negativity of US living i.e. the guns, drugs, crimes, racism, political dysfunction, social ills amongst people, etc. and drawn to Turkey for its high quality of life, the warm people, the food, the beauty of the country.聽 I am a first generation American of Turkish heritage and am therefore familiar with the culture of Turkey.聽 Could you share any insights on your experiences in living in Turkey, the good, the bad and the ugly?聽 聽 聽 聽 聽

I too am sick of the racism (people with a different skin tone than the indigenous population need not comment), political correctness, woke attitude, and people wanting to identify as a cucumber here in the UK!!

Turkey to me feels like home, and whilst there aren't many Turks as dark as me, most assume I am Turkish (no bad thing)

I have lived stateside for almost 2yrs and my 2nd wife was American. They couldnt make me return there if they paid me.

Incidentally, the WORST meal I ever had in the USA was at the Ruth Chris in MN, food was OK (but I do a better steak) the service however was APPALLING!! but that's standard with the US of A, if you like your customer service loud and insincere then that鈥檚 then placed for you

@Gino_C

I think from my side I have given some views on cost and style of living, I am curions what others have to say.

@marktmorgan

I fully empathize with your perspective.聽 BTW, we never eat out; restaurant food is prepared not for nutrition and health but to entice customers with food loaded with salt, fat and sugar using the cheapest ingredients.聽

It is too dangerous to visit downtown Minneapolis at night.聽 Homelessness is rampant here.聽 Obesity is normalized here but now combatted with Ozempic.聽 I could go on and on. It's literally depressing.聽 Of course, my outlook for Turkey is realistic in expecting that Turkey will offer its own hurdles but my general sentiment is positive.聽 聽I'm sure you're aware there is quite an exodus of US citizens seeking a more sane, enriching lifestyle.

Gino,

I am the same weight at 58 that I was at 19 (70kg)

I still eat junk occasionally but also do a minimum of 40 gym visits per month.

Everything in moderation..which the US and UK populace seem unable to compute 馃槅

@Gino_C

@Gino_C I agree with you. The heat and humidity in Alanya is unbearable, even coming from the heat of Texas myself I always avoid July and August when traveling there. I will try to be as objective as I can possibly can, Turkey has the exact same problems as the U.S. guns, politics, violence and even more 鈥�so you are not going to escape those issues here in Turkey.

I would categorize the PROS of living in Turkey as

1. Has to be the nature and beauty of the country, I think anywhere you go in Turkey you will be mesmerized by its beauty.聽

2. Reasonable cost of living compared to the U.S., although I do think this can be a double edge sword, as I always say to my clients in my line of business as a home contractor , cheap will always end up expensive for you and expensive is not cheap.

3. It鈥檚 geographical location in the world, you are in the middle, you can fly to Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia within few hours you will be there.

now the CONS鈥�and it鈥檚 a lot but will try and keep it brief for you

1. As a foreigner you have a target on your back that says 鈥� please Scam me鈥� from the local shops, to taxis, to dealing with service professionals, to restaurant employees, everyone will try and scam you.

2. Rules and laws they change all the times , you may go to sleep with one set of聽 laws and wake up with different set of laws.

3. The language, hardly any people speak English there and it could be a challenge. Learning the Turkish language from scratch is not easy.

4. Unstable currency. 5. This one is the most important and it鈥檚 the reason why I am seriously considering moving out 鈥�as a foreigner you almost have no rights 鈥� corruptions run rampant there, don鈥檛 expect the law to be on your side for anything.

@hanialturk73

I did like your reply, very much depending on what you expect from life. Even if Alanya is presented as Dubai from Turkey, you have to be prepared.

Provided you have your own property I think things are very, very fine.

I do not want to repeat myself I have reported on pluses and minuses frequently.

Just to repeat verbs from Netherlands

-Grass is not greener at the other side

-Every house have their cross

Summary of my previous posts, excluding alcohol and cigarettes, but including restaurants and good service EUR 2000 should be fine (please own your own property).

Alanya is getting more expensive (in all areas), but that is no problem if you provisioned for that.

Alanya by the way starts to hate poor tourists, coming here and not spending. You really have to have a serious property for Ikamet.

Not always fun, but with enough cash no problem.

@cdw057

I do not speak French, Hungarian or Turkish for that matter and I do not intend to do so (VERY FINE).

@hanialturk73

Thank you for composing a well articulated response to my inquiry.聽 I'm sorry your experience in Turkey has left you discontented & dejected.聽 聽I'm going to follow up on some of your cons, particularly items 2 and 5.聽 However, I have to add that your negative experiences are not common as I have a very good acquaintance who moved from the US and swears by the move he made as the best decision he's made with his new life.聽 Other friends and acquaintances who have visited came away very impressed and enticed to considering settling there.聽 We all have our unique experiences and perceptions.聽 Our eyes (my wife and I) opened up to considering moving to Turkey when we traveled to visit my mother in Kusadasi for her 80th birthday in 2019.聽 As I have stated, I am of Turkish heritage and am conversationally proficient in Turkish.聽 As for my other motivation for wanting to move is that I feel like I'm just treading water here in the US and my existance is in a vacuum.聽 The engagement and warmness of the people of Turkey is a commonly recognized acknowledgement of those who visit.聽 Though, I am a realist in knowing that there is no utopia and I will face challenges wherever I live.聽 Best of luck in your endeavors.聽 聽

@Gino_C if you have a Turkish background and proficient in the Turkish language then you should not face the same challenges as someone who is not.聽 You should not struggle at all with the local population since you can communicate with them in their native language. All of the expats here are not Turkish.聽 I believe you will enjoy living there鈥�wish you the best. If you have any questions please don鈥檛 hesitate to drop me a line. BTW, my grand father is Turkish from Trabzon but I don鈥檛 speak Turkish.

@cdw057 yes the grass is always greener on the other side side of the fence馃槃. True you must own a property in Alanya, with 2k a month you should be able to live very comfortably. Alanya need to overhaul just about every sector of its tourism in order to attract quality tourists. Poor and low quality Restaurants, Hotels, Street vendors, Beaches, will only attract poor and low quality tourists.

@hanialturk73

Indeed an emerging concern that tourists come without cash, I really hope hotels in Alanya (and surrounding cities) will focus on maximum half-board, but better even with only breakfast.

Important I think is that authorities have to clamp down on those who rent our without paying taxes (also good (from a Turkish perspective) that prices of properties will go down.

I really do not like those who rent out and not pay taxes.

By doing that renting out will become less popular, for me no issue if things become a bit more quiet.

I live here, I am honest, but many are not and create their business, our mostly Turkish providers are great, me and my wife try to avoid RUS/UKR providers.

Perhaps a tourist tax of minimum EUR 10 per day per person will help. Provided of course that this illegal renting out is killed (I really hate this)

They could do this also at the airports I think, business or pleasure, just pay EUR 10 per day for the stay.

@Gino_C

read your reply on Alanya聽 i share your view on healthcare in US聽 i bought a Flat in center city Budspest due to dental needs with very low cost.聽 At the end i saved there 23,000 so i bought a large flat when priced were very low 6 years ago so i put down 20,000 usd on the flat i saved from low聽 cost here. My dentist in the US paid, to avoid law suit, me $2300.00.So my question is, 鈥漚re you still happy in Turkiye?鈥澛� i have spent time on two visits and i see all

of the good side聽 as in any place you live there are always down sides聽 just would like to ask, if you do not mind,鈥� how are you all doing there ?鈥�

thank you,

Ed Owens usa, Richmond Va

@Edowens111

Ed, If I gave you the impression that I am now living in Turkiye, forgive me as I am still in Minneapolis providing support for my son who is a junior at the UofM.聽 I won't make the move to Turkiye until after my son establishes a firm path in his career and his life which I hope will be in the fall of 2025.聽 As you may have read in my previous posts, I'm a first generation American of Turkish heritage having been born in Bismarck ND.聽 There are a multitude of reasons for my pursuit of moving to Turkiye.聽 One of those is cost and quality of healthcare here but there are more prominent reasons.聽 I abhor the gun culture and racism of the US amongst many of the other ills existing here.聽 What draws me to Turkey is the warmth of the Turkish people, its beauty, its wonderful food and the amazing fruits and vegetables.聽 Plus, Europe is its neighbor so my wife and I intend to take advantage of its proximity.聽 We originally got the idea of moving to Turkiye when we took a family trip to visit my mother in Kusadasi on her 80th birthday and we fell in love with our experience.聽 聽Also to add to your inquiry of Turkish living, I have a retired American friend whom I connected with through this website who moved to Kusadasi and he is as happy and fulfilled as one can be with his new life.聽 And he does not speak Turkish but is able to navigate life without much angst.聽

I wanted to mention that prior to moving to Minnesota, I was living in the Richmond area working for Sabra in Colonial Heights.聽 My hometown is Atlanta but the Mrs. and I hate the heat of the south and love the cold which is why we ended up here Minnesota.

Best regards in your pursuits,

Gino, Land of 10,000 Lakes