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Laughable and yet NOT remotely funny part 1!

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williashirl8

End of January this year I travelled to PT to close on a property! I was asked to email a copy of the contract & to bring a copy of to the bank in order to receive the cashier's check for the closing.  Since this was going to be a quick trip, I decided to make an appointment @ 9:00AM with the local branch to make sure that the process was smooth.  The morning of the closing we arrived @ the bank to find that the person who issues the cashier's check was NOT there and will return at 12:00 (let's not forget that I made an appointment)!! After waiting a bit that person showed up and told us we had to wait. The closing is @ 12:30 so I figured we had time. After a long waiting period I was handed a HANDWRITTEN cashier's check (call me crazy but the penmanship was not that great to justify this long wait)!  We had just 20 minutes to make it to the notary's office in the city center.  We arrived just in time for the closing.


While waiting for the notary, I was asking the RE agent about the next steps after closing.  It was then I was told that the seller (after closing and my check cashed)  will be staying in the property for the next two (2) days (free of charge) because he has business to take care of before he heads back home.  I made no such agreement! I was also told "this is common...people do this all the time"!  to this I responded, well then we should have postponed the closing two days later! This debate went on for 45 minutes until they finally realized that I was NOT giving into this nonsense!


Back to the bank now: 1 month after closing the bank contacts me, they need proof of funds for this transaction (keep in mind the funds are transferred to Act**oBank directly from one of the largest investment institutions in the world) and, a copy of the registered deed. I went online and realized that my account had been suspended!  I tried sending via the APP to no avail.  I reached out to the bank via telephone and was given an email to forward the docs.  While I was on the line w/the rep I emailed the docs.  2 minutes after we hung up, I got this email:

HI, Our Customer Support email has been deactivated. You can contact us via the new feature Apoio AB, available in the App and Site:


2 days ago, I upgraded my phone because the previous one was broken.  Yesterday I tried to access my account in the APP only to realize that my access in the APP was also suspended.  I contacted the bank via social media only to be told I need to go to a branch (fly to PT) to fix the problem!!!!!

Is there no end to nonsense!! You can't make this sh*t up!

Legaultdawn1

@williashirl8 ok, now I am breaking out in a cold sweat and hives just thinking about what our Property purchase in Portugal could be like! 

chrisschubert21

Yes, the property buying can be in this way, like by williashirl8 but can be also better.

In such a way, you should have  a lot of patience and understanding. They are so and this is the Portugiese way and they are ... happy so.

I come to this philosophy after we buy our property and now we make a first renovations. Patience , patience and ... you don't have an other way. That it guys!

JohnnyPT

this is common...people do this all the time  -@williashirl8


I've never heard anything like it. Apparently, the situations you report here only happen to foreigners....


they need proof of funds for this transaction -@williashirl8


This may have something to do with the money's justification, because of suspicions of money laundering.


the person who issues the cashier's check was NOT there -@williashirl8


Why don't you complain to the bank in writing at the complaint's book  instead of coming here to complain?

SimCityAT

they need proof of funds for this transaction -@williashirl8


This may have something to do with the money's justification, because of suspicions of money laundering.


   

    -@JohnnyPT


Yes, this is down to money laundering rules. 

TGCampo

Maybe it isn't the greatest idea to buy a property in Portugal without being present in the country. I would definitely never do that, but I know of several US citizens that did. With more or less success. If all of the describes really bothers you then maybe Portugal isn't such a great idea. Service and timeliness are not what one might be used to.


I also don't understand the hurry. I had the bank check days before my notary appointment.

IBHwood

Anybody who wants to move to a foreign country (or do business with one) must understand that cultural differences will be a huge challenge, and one needs to learn how to navigate it. Expecting anywhere else to be "just like home", it is a bad and stressful start, doomed to fail the entire experience.


In Portugal,  deliveries are often not delivered on the date promised and we can wait the whole day without any news if they are coming or not; to obtain documents is time consuming and often one has to apply various times and in person. If you have an appointment, do not be surprised if you have to wait 30+ minutes to be seen, or even cancelling it without telling you, etc.


Remember: we, the expats, chose to come to this country, the country did not invite any of us, but were kind enough to welcome us to their home, so the best advice is : adapt to the country instead of expecting the country to adapt to you.


If people are not prepared for the cultural differences, stay home.

georgiamitch

@JohnnyPT

this is a place to share experiences and gain understanding or figure out pros/cons going forward with any situation  I would hold off on saying complaining.  its a stressful situation with lots of unknowns. We bought property but have Novobanco and if that happened to me, handwritten bologna and making you wait for a closing and you had an appointment scheduled, I’d switch banks 100%  that was shitty business and not acceptable not a cultural difference 

JohnnyPT

@georgiamitch,


This has nothing to do with cultural differences. This idea that some people have put here is wrong. We're talking about people & institutions who are competent or not. I was also a NovoBanco (former BES!) customer and I got FED UP with being treated badly. I closed my bank account there and opened one with another bank!

TGCampo

Remember: we, the expats, chose to come to this country, the country did not invite any of us, but were kind enough to welcome us to their home, so the best advice is : adapt to the country instead of expecting the country to adapt to you.


The Portuguese Government is actively promoting immigration into the country. This is happening in the United States. I understand this as an invitation.

Strontium

Shirly it's easy enough to open more then one bank account (as I have done) then, after you have used them for a while just pick the one or ones that you perfer and close the others. Buying property here is not dificult but expecting institutions to conform to what you think they should be doing rather then making sensible decisions yourself will probably involve avoidable problems.

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