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Racism is described as a descrimination towards ppl from different nationalities but surprisingly ppl from the same country can be racist towards eachother , ie for example ppl living in the city can be descriminative towards those coming from the countryside..u can live in the north and see ppl from the south as outfashioned...speaking a different language from the other part of the country can be as well a reason for racism. I experienced it in my country where Arabs and Berbers cohabite but u can feel racism between the two at different degrees...lucky for me my father is Berber and mom is Arab..this way I belonged to both cultures and this helped me to accept the other without any prejudices...later when I had the chance to travel abroad and work in multinationls I loved the most our differences and how we manage all from many nationalities to sit at the same table and discuss or laugh or work ...this prooves one thing: we are all defenitely from one origin and it's us who created a way of dividing through descrimination instead of gathering through differences = richness

mas fred wrote:

princess sandra wrote:

two tumbs for London, in Indonesia > minority such like chinesse always racism from native indonesia.

I've noticed that sad state of affairs in Jakarta but it wasn't so true in Wonosobo when I lived there.
London appears to be more with it but it's not so true when you dig just a little below the surface.
The North of England has some real problems.

I dont see racism in Jakarta. So far...
People probably just misjudge.

Sophie Fisher wrote:

mas fred wrote:

princess sandra wrote:

two tumbs for London, in Indonesia > minority such like chinesse always racism from native indonesia.

I've noticed that sad state of affairs in Jakarta but it wasn't so true in Wonosobo when I lived there.
London appears to be more with it but it's not so true when you dig just a little below the surface.
The North of England has some real problems.

I dont see racism in Jakarta. So far...
People probably just misjudge.

It's there.
Many times, someone has used the traditional Muslim greeting as a challenge, not a friendly, hello.
"FDR" mean anything?

I have lived in Thailand a long time and commute from there to the Phillipines on a regualr basis so for me i dont feel any racism in these countries, however some of you may not be looking for this response but i felt overhwelming racism in my mother country the UK

and im white, i began to feel like a second class citizen there so felt compelled to leave, im all for equality however it cuts both ways, im sure some people wont like these comment well there you are

mas fred wrote:

Sophie Fisher wrote:

mas fred wrote:

I've noticed that sad state of affairs in Jakarta but it wasn't so true in Wonosobo when I lived there.
London appears to be more with it but it's not so true when you dig just a little below the surface.
The North of England has some real problems.

I dont see racism in Jakarta. So far...
People probably just misjudge.

It's there.
Many times, someone has used the traditional Muslim greeting as a challenge, not a friendly, hello.
"FDR" mean anything?

Really? Even to foreigners? I guess I just havent met such people.

Id never be racist to sophie fisher wawa wooooooo

Sophie Fisher wrote:

mas fred wrote:

Sophie Fisher wrote:

I dont see racism in Jakarta. So far...
People probably just misjudge.

It's there.
Many times, someone has used the traditional Muslim greeting as a challenge, not a friendly, hello.
"FDR" mean anything?

Really? Even to foreigners? I guess I just havent met such people.

I travel in angkot, use non AC trains and walk a lot.
I meet a lot of people, mostly nice, the odd slightly dodgy one and the odd total bar steward.

bobbylee2065 wrote:

Id never be racist to sophie fisher wawa wooooooo

You shouldnt be racist to anyone

Btw, I've never been to the UK but I thought people there are supposed to be super friendly. From what I've heard.

mas fred wrote:

Sophie Fisher wrote:

mas fred wrote:

It's there.
Many times, someone has used the traditional Muslim greeting as a challenge, not a friendly, hello.
"FDR" mean anything?

Really? Even to foreigners? I guess I just havent met such people.

I travel in angkot, use non AC trains and walk a lot.
I meet a lot of people, mostly nice, the odd slightly dodgy one and the odd total bar steward.

I tried angkot before, but I gave up since they often make the whole space cramped and I couldnt go out, my friend and I travelled to her Uni in Depok by non AC train for 15 minutes. It was my first and last (that 15 minutes felt like 3 hours when I had to stand up holding on to nothing and being pushed around) and when I tried to walk in Jakarta, all the construction guys, parking guys and even food vendors would start whistling and trying to make a conversation (could the last one be some sort of racism? Lol).

Since i married. I have been asked what does a pakki have that a white man does not.


well for starters

1. They dont walk around with thier hands down the front of there pants.....{checking to see if it still attached}
2.They treat women with respect...{dont try anything on first date}
3. They dont walk about with ther jeans haning off thier butts showing off thier underwear.
4. They dont walk around with hands down thier trousers.

Sophie Fisher wrote:

when I tried to walk in Jakarta, all the construction guys, parking guys and even food vendors would start whistling and trying to make a conversation

I get the same but I'm quite flattered about it.

haggishunter wrote:

Since i married. I have been asked what does a pakki have that a white man does not.


well for starters

1. They dont walk around with thier hands down the front of there pants.....{checking to see if it still attached}
2.They treat women with respect...{dont try anything on first date}
3. They dont walk about with ther jeans haning off thier butts showing off thier underwear.
4. They dont walk around with hands down thier trousers.

Hi, Haggis.
Hope all is well with you and your family.
Sadly, I do all of the above except number 3 as I never wear jeans.

Fred

All is well. Family doing well. Daughter driving my nuts as usual, we now hove a house rabbit.

El_Jost

I dont care about the colour of a mans skin.
As long as he treats me with love and respect, is all that matters.
My husband is from pakistan who i met in my home town and well slowly fell in love.

God Bless

haggishunter wrote:

El_Jost

I dont care about the colour of a mans skin.
As long as he treats me with love and respect, is all that matters.
My husband is from pakistan who i met in my home town and well slowly fell in love.

haggishunter wrote:

El_Jost

I dont care about the colour of a mans skin.
As long as he treats me with love and respect, is all that matters.
My husband is from pakistan who i met in my home town and well slowly fell in love.

My wife has a rather nice golden brown skin tone that most British women pay a fortune in tanning studios to get.
It's also really sexy.

HaileyinHongKong wrote:

I have an Indian friend whose skin is this beautiful coffee with cream color.  Most white women would kill to have her skin.

The grass is always greener.
In Indonesia, girls all want to have white skin.

No, people are nice in Jordan!

I was watching a BBC sponsored program today 10th,March 2013 titled "Europe should shut the door of immigration". This automatically reminds me of racism, but they are trying hard to paint it in another better dimension. This argument has been going on for a very long time now in many advanced countries and developing economies which they mostly attributed to economic crisis and terrorism act. I have not been to Greece before but i have authoritively learnt that Greece has the highest racism attack to coloured people, and still has a very disastrous economy with high rate of national debt and unemployment. The question is, how have the immigrants contributed to the bad management of their national wealth that led to Greece downfall?

I have been around Asia for 4 years now, from Macau, Hong Kong, Malaysia, China and Cmbodia. Everyday I always learnt that racism has come to stay. It has proved to me through my experience that Asians are not only racist to coloured people but stark rude due to their high rate of ignorance, inferiority complex, jealous, lack of competitive edge and myopic social life style. Africa and other countries have been a compelling force in most of developing Asia export based economy success factor. Do you think they are going to make more money when every body angrily stays in their country and develop their need capabilities?

The true fact about tightening immigration law is a way of allowing only developed economies to have access to each other, giving the affluent in the society opportunities to  achieve only their aspirations, allowing second colonisation of the world by the so called 'white' people, increasing more dangerous ignorance especially Asia part of the world, and supporting discrimination  of blacks countries and Arab nations in particular. No color or tribe is a domain of knowledge, neither can one race poise a danger to any society. The world need each other to develop and provide opportunities for their citizenry. Do you think the world will be a better place if every country in the world tightens their immigration law?

I think it's natural for people to seek and keep the company of people like themselves. When it's family, no problem; when it's extended family, or clan, still no problem; when it's tribal or national, it's called patriotism and it's still no problem, most of the time; but when it's racial, it crosses the line into unacceptable. So racism is (I would say) often just an extreme form of recognising the different-ness of people. Is it worse than tribalism or nationalism or patriotism? Maybe, maybe not. Much depends on how it is manifested.

I live in a place where the word "racism" is applied to the hostility that exists between one community of native-born and ethnically unique people and scores of communities of immigrants and short-term migrants. Among the scores of immigrant/migrant communities - of all the colours you can imagine - there is no significant resentment. Although there are clear social differences, we are united by our inferior civil status. Skin-colours are irrelevant to us, and to the natives too. Neither of the two "ethnic" communities can be bothered with differentiating on the basis of colour or the basis of race.

We're only three small islands, here, with a total population of 50,000 and change; so admittedly we're not representative of larger communities. Nevertheless, we do offer a good example of people going about their business with no racist hang-ups besides the ethnic one between natives and foreigners.

I know what you mean, I was born in Israel, grew up in Canada and now live in South Africa. When people in Canada ask me where I'm from I say "Israel", when I'm in South Africa I say "Canada" and when I travel out of SA, I don't know what to say?....but yet I feel I kind of belong all of these countries, and not ,at the same time.

I CONG FOR CHOOSING THIS TOPIC.
YEAH IT IS REALLY BAD THAT IN THIS ERA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RECISAM
WE SHOULD ALL FORCEFULLY ALL TOGHATHER SHOULD REJECT/DISCOURAGE THIS

I'm a member of several political forums.
The big topic is Israel/Palestine and they always end up as, "Jews are all.." and/or "Muslims are all....".

Totally pointless rubbish that gets no one anywhere and only serves to create more hate when there really doesn't need to be any.

I have the perfect solution and it's nothing to do with two states.
Shoot all the idiots so everyone else can get on with living their lives without all that daft hate.

HaileyinHongKong wrote:

mas fred wrote:

I'm a member of several political forums.
The big topic is Israel/Palestine and they always end up as, "Jews are all.." and/or "Muslims are all....".

Totally pointless rubbish that gets no one anywhere and only serves to create more hate when there really doesn't need to be any.

I have the perfect solution and it's nothing to do with two states.
Shoot all the idiots so everyone else can get on with living their lives without all that daft hate.

Is the whole Israel/Palestine thing about Jews & Muslims or is it about Israelis & Arabs?

Neither.
It's about one group of extremists who were so bad, they created the conditions to produce opposing extremists.
Both lie, murder and generally make as many lives into misery on earth as possible.
The extremists on both sides are now running the show so there's zero chance of peace.
The more I look at this, the dafter it looks.

Hi,
we dont known how in British, because we are from Bulgaria.
How living in Hong Kong, are there opening position for a jobs

HaileyinHongKong wrote:

mas fred wrote:

It's about one group of extremists who were so bad, they created the conditions to produce opposing extremists.

Are you talking about the British?

No but we did make many bloody silly mistakes over there, ones the Americans have amplified many fold.

Best I can tell, it all started with Jewish extremists, bombing hotels and generally murdering a load of people.
It wasn't long before more extreme Arab groups retaliated and started a cycle of killing that has yet to stop.

The British army was pig in the middle of that lot and just wanted out ASAP. They did so but it left a serious mess.

If there had been no Jewish extremists, I'd be willing to bet the general Jewish population would have blended in and not very much would have happened.
Still, there goes history, it's only bothered with to justify killing but so few are interested in the truth.

There's a list on the internet.

Pro Israel groups use it as justification for Israel doing whatever it likes, anti Israeli groups use it to prove what a bunch of dicks Jews are.
I've been talking a closer look but it seems I'm the only one who has ever bothered.
A few items are just lies and don't seem to have happened whilst others are selective truth.
357 C.E.    Italy    Property Confiscation
In fact was removing non Jewish slaves from Jewish slave traders and some state taking away property if you converted to Judaism or married a Jew.
Hardly justification but the taking away of slaves is not a lot to complain about either.
Seems that Constantine II being any Jewish but pro business as the Jews were competing with nationalised Roman slave traders.

Point being, people will use race hate to justify any rubbish they think they can get away with and lie through their teeth if we allow them to get away with it.

Racism requires lies to justify its stupidity so it's up to us to expose those lies and make racist fools look as stupid as possible.
It's usually not very hard to achieve that goal.

All sides want to be considered the victims. The Israel-Palestine argument is especially prone to that!

Gordon Barlow wrote:

All sides want to be considered the victims. The Israel-Palestine argument is especially prone to that!

The victim can have a powerful advantage.
I'm sure that's why the Israeli government push the holocaust so much and why the far right try to say it never happened.
Neither side is right as both use the deaths of millions for political gain.

A bit nasty.

There is no racism in Turkey; at least I haven't experienced it the whole time I've been here. As an African, I get a lot of attention because we are very few and far between.  They stare out of curiosity and since I speak and understand the language, I have never heard anything untoward. They are always trying to guess which country am from, if my braids are my real hair etc. That is one of the many reasons why I love it here.

tboliking wrote:

maybe i have felt some un-intended rasist attitudes but again not intended in a mean way .... Hey Joe !!!!

ya ya im white but not all white people are americans ....

or is it just the canadian in me that does not wana be grouped in with americans ?

not that theres anything wrong with americans lol

There is common anti American feeling here in Indonesia.
I'm often asked if I'm American and there is a clear change in the face of my questioner when they realise I'm not.

Americans are often blamed for US foreign policy.

I just wondering why some people think of racism, is that really a big deal? every human being possess different cultures, beliefs, norms etc, what matter most is we have to respect and give value each human being. We are the same human being with different colours and views. if you are true intelligent person you know what kind of world you are living for, you are not the only creature made by our Almighty God.

It is when you on receiving end. I have been on and off for the last 2 years, eversince i decided to wear the hijab.

HaileyinHongKong wrote:

lemuelplaza wrote:

I just wondering why some people think of racism, is that really a big deal?

It is when you're on the receiving end.

Unless it's positive racism.
I was out wandering yesterday whan I noticed a lady being photographed by loads of locals.
Many were young lads but girls were with her as were mothers asking her to hold their babies for photos.
The lady in question was a diplomat but a stunningly beautiful, very tall and white blonde diplomat with a bigger than average (but nice) nose.
By anyone's standard, she was amazing but her looks made her like honey to people here.
The lady seemed shocked at the attention but was lovely to the people who were pestering her.
I suspect she's also going to make a very good diplomat.

haggishunter wrote:

It is when you on receiving end. I have been on and off for the last 2 years, eversince i decided to wear the hijab.

Girl, stick to your guns and tell the silly buggers to sod off.
Do what you think is right for you.

hi everyone,

i think racism has rooted its place so deeply..they said that we are now in the modern times and that it should be eradicated by this time however its not always the case..
..when i was in my country, I experience being discrimated just because of the region I came from..people from certain region discriminates other people from another region just because they felt that their culture are much better than the other..ETHNOCENTRISM that is what it is and it is very much apparent everywhere..one country felts that they are better than the other or one religion more holier than the other=)
..here in London, the people you meet are quite diverse and that people blend in together smoothly, though there are still racism but it's not profound and if there are its being done in the most discreet and subtle way=)
..in my observation i think racism goes with ignorance and close mindedness.. i find that the people who are well  educated (learned),  well travelled or quite exposed as early as they are with other people are more open and accomodating..
..though in general, we just need to be mindful of each others culture or background or religion for that matter because there are things that we thought its okay but are rather degrading to others..or there are actions or words that we find as rude or racist but is genuinely not the intention or the purpose of the other person..
..so in short  just chill

Charryc
What about when it in ypur family. My younger brother has not talked to me for 2 years since i started wearing the hijab, he was embarranced to see me in it.
I,m still his sister, i just got married and decided to wear it. So why wont he respect my decition to wear hijab. And no my husband did not tell me to wear it.

haggishunter wrote:

What about when it in ypur family. My younger brother has not talked to me for 2 years since i started wearing the hijab, he was embarranced to see me in it.
I,m still his sister, i just got married and decided to wear it. So why wont he respect my decition to wear hijab. And no my husband did not tell me to wear it.

thats the thing ..we are having this ordeal just because some people are trying to imposed what they  believe to other people thinking that their beliefs and ideas or characteristics are the only norm that ever existed..everything else are just secondary..which is really sad..

It is my brothers loss

Here's one about white-on white racism for you:

I used to live in Birmingham, UK, and one night I was walking down a crowded street and speaking on the mobile in Spanish. Six white guys with red roses on their lapels (it was St. George's day) started punching me without saying a word other than "Fucking French", and left me unconscious on the floor in a pool of blood. A good 100 people walked by while this was going on and nobody stopped. This happened just outside a club, and the security guards from the club just looked on with their arms folded. A lot more people must have walked past me while I was unconscious, and nobody stopped.
Eventually, a guy woke me up, called an ambulance and came with me to the hospital. He wasn't white though, he was from Birmingham, but of Pakistani parents. For all the 13 years I lived in Birmingham, all my good friends were/are mostly Pakistani/Indian or black, and the odd Irish and Spanish.

I live in China now, and even though everyone stares at me, and children laugh and point, I feel safer and more accepted than I ever did in Birmingham.

My points are: One, it's not always about the color.

And two, and more important: We don't need to feel we are the same to feel we are equals. Chinese people here clearly feel very, very different from me, but that doesn't mean worse than them, of less value as a human being, just different.

Racism is everywhere so get use to it and best way is to ignore.