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I have lived in Thailand in the past, brought. my wife to my country and opened an I. T. shop with her.

Would love to live in Thailand myself and am a high level scuba instructor, and am qualified to teach English. Frankly thai roads are getting more dangerous, it is a dangerous country to live in. You didn't mention the area of Thailand you wanted to settle in, because that can change your cost of living expenses.

Hi the PC man, I appreciate your advice, however this is coming from someone who would like to move to Thailand? Possibly in the same boat perhaps. is your plan to retire to Thailand with your wife?

I think I didn't make myself clear, first point is what I want and what is practical is two different things, I want to live in Thailand, but I have brought my Thai wife to my country to live. We have lived here for 13 years.

OP, please be realistic. A good friend of mine and highly professional IT guy just got in touch with me to help him to find a teaching job, because his company wanted him to move to Malaysia and that's not what he wants to do.

聽 聽I'm in the teaching field for 14 years, got my full license from Khurusapha ( TCT), but times have changed in a very negative way. I fully understand that you want to be with your GF and love can hurt a lot. I have now less money than I had in 2005 when I started teaching, almost everything got much more expensive, etc....

聽 I'm as well a specialist in soft, but also in hardware, but the chances to find a job in IT are almost Nil. Do not let your feelings take over and please use your common sense now. Don't let your emotions take over.

聽 It's a very bad time to look for a teaching position, the first term of an academic year's almost over in September, the second term ends in April. The new year starts middle of May, so it would be wise to come earlier. Check to look for jobs, for example.

My marriage ring was at the pawn shop last year pretty long, I don't get paid for April, only half of March and half of May, that can easily bring you down. I hope that you get the message. Even with a teacher's license, I'm currently making less money than I did in 2005,聽 It's my own fault because I'd quit a great position just to sleep at home, but then woke up in the middle of a horror movie where I was the main character when I had to set up an EP for a smaller Anuban. What a nightmare and psychological stress!

I know that I could make a lot more money if I'd move to China, Vietnam, or to another province, but after 16 years living in the lower northeast, not only my family keeps me here. Here are my friends, I know where to go to when I've got a problem with my bike, or car and I'm used to living here.

I won't go the "Filipino way" and work somewhere else just to send money and pay for two households, perhaps too far away to see my wife on a monthly basis. Life sometimes sucks.聽
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I just bought a big bike wouldn't want to give all up, taking my truck and my bike to another province wouldn't be in my interest. I don't know how serious your relationship is, no idea if you're planning to get married, but I can tell you that finding a good paid job's getting more and more difficult from day to day.

Many schools just "copied" agencies' concepts and all in a sudden offer only 10, or when you're lucky an 11, or 12 months contract. Plenty of schools had such a high turnover that they rely on some really nasty agencies where you're only a number in a game that you can't win. Working with people you wouldn't talk to when meeting them somewhere can be disgusting, especially when the biggest idiot is the head teacher of the circus.

聽 There are contracts where the employee hasn't got insurance, neither leave nor business days. If you're absent on a Monday, or a Friday, you don't get paid for the weekend before, or after, basically a three-day salary deduction. Even when it's against existing Thai labour law, you can't do much, or you just walk away and burn one waiver or provisional teacher's license.

聽 聽You'll easily get two waivers, but the third can already be a problem.
Don't let your feelings make a decision you can't take back. I fully understand your situation and if I were you, I'd bite the bitter apple and go for an additional Diploma in teacher education that enables you to receive the full teacher's license that could help you to find a job at an International school.
Unfortunately, are the laws not in our favour. You must have worked at one school for not less than 365 days, even 360 days wouldn't be enough to receive the license, they go straight by the book.

You've got to make sure that you find a government school that pays the Thai social security for you, usually 750 baht the employer, the same amount for you, per month.

聽 Once you've got one year full, you can continue by paying in 438 baht privately and you'll have full medical coverage. Insurance with full coverage is totally necessary when you want to live and work here, too many others have had problems and couldn't pay the hospital bills. These days, most hospitals keep your passport and you won't get it back until you pay. Go FundMe seems to be pretty popular these days......

I'd like to be honest regarding your long distance relationship. I know some women who are in such a relationship who receive a monthly sum that's really enough to live a good life, but these "ladies" just went back to the bar where the guys have met them, or perhaps to another one and continue selling their bodies. I'm in no way saying that your gf belongs to that group, but you never really know when you're in such a relationship.

You'll need some money for quite a while and the timing isn't great. The academic school year at primary and secondary level start in the middle of May, coming so late leaves you only a few, often not very good options.

聽 聽Please rethink your plans and make sure that you can trust your partner in all instances. Best of luck from lower northeast!

@isaanfarang - hello! I really appreciate you taking the time out to reply to me in length. You have definitely given me a deeper insight, and my timing yes not so great i see the error in my planning.

I am sorry to hear about some of the tough times you have landed on. The situation you described at the pawn shop sounds like a particularly hard time. I hope some of those times you can put behind you,

I know the IT job I am hoping for is rather a pipe-dream and this has been a wake up call for me. I don't think the transition will be easy. I don't think being a teacher will reward me financially, but it might make a difference in an ethical way. I like my job now as it's problem solving, i use my brain and i help people. Teaching has similar properties. I already earn a lot and work 65+ hr weeks and 12 straight day rotational rotas , but i think the more you earn the more you spend, but perhaps with a Thai wife locking down the finances in a 1950's style American house wife sense i might be ok!

I liked what you said "Don't let your feelings make a decision you can't take back. I fully understand your situation and if I were you, I'd bite the bitter apple and go for an additional Diploma in teacher education that enables you to receive the full teacher's license that could help you to find a job at an International school." ------ I have thought about this. In-fact a good friend of mine taught with only a TEFL for 3 years in Thailand, returned here to the UK and became a qualified teacher with the intention of heading back out internationally. He warned me of the same things, and advised the best jobs were in the Thai Gov schools or international schools, with diplomas and degrees as a fully pledged teacher to reap the benefits and protection as you have mentioned. However, in my country, to get a degree as a teacher that's another 1 year QTE post-grad course, it's a possibility, but a big change in my career and turning back on something I have worked 5 years for. But, should I chase a career or love? That is the question my friend!

I am not so sure what your advice is, it seems like you are possibly advising that teaching might not be so fulfilling financially, but settling down in Thailand with my Mia and her lovely Isaan family and local life, once invested is hard to turn away from. Are their decisions in your life that you wish you would have chosen differently in hindsight? I appreciate the concern about the bar-girl doomed relationships we see, read and hear about, but I can honestly say with my hand on my heart after nearly 3 years, she is not that kind of girl, i think she could be the one, and we have spoken deeply about our future for children and marriage. She is not wearing any masks, i know her and she knows me.

Decisions decisions! I do not want to bring her here as she will become westernised, and frankly i think she would be miserable here. So become a diving instructor instead? haha! I wish it could all be easier. She would face the same issues coming here and finding work. Catch22.

Warm regards, Jordan.

Waste of time, head is in the clouds, "Thai wife will control money" will be in the Gold shop buying 10 baht necklaces!

Where are most of the English speaking bar girls from Isaan. Ever ask yourself how a Thai woman learns English? My wife could not speak a word of English when I meet her, sent her to English classes for a year.

Sounds like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, and seem to be speaking rather negatively of my relationship. I am not sure if you are being constructive in this thread and frankly maybe even being judgemental, and are generalising Thai women. My gf has never worked in a bar in her life, she taught herself English and studied really hard, and also speaks Japanese, she's also a Post-Graduate.

I think you are suggesting I get her to move here (UK), but as I have said before I think it might change her into someone I might not like and furthermore she would be miserable. She loves her country and I love it too, just a shame work options are limited, and contractually based teaching jobs are insecure. I appreciate your time regardless, and wish you and your wife all the best (from your British cousin).

You are thinking as a young man and not looking ahead. I would make Thailand your home base but go work in Dubai or the like in a job where you get 4 weeks on 2 weeks off like my friends husband does or something like that. Invest in an endowment that will get you 60,000 Thai Baht a month for life. Do that for 15 years then buy land build聽 a proper house so when you can't work you can still legally stay and live a comfortable life.

Leave the UK now and like my friends husband from Wales he only gets 12,000 baht pension. I called her and he said something about he had 18 years but needed 30 years to get the full pension and that even the full amount is only about 24,000 baht which is not enough to legally stay in Thailand.

thepcman wrote:

Where are most of the English speaking bar girls from Isaan. Ever ask yourself how a Thai woman learns English? My wife could not speak a word of English when I meet her, sent her to English classes for a year.

Maybe 40 years ago that was true

My Grandson is 9 years old and goes to an ordinary school and gets English classes聽 once or twice a week which is pretty normal these days and has been for along time.

Most University girls can speak English these days. Very hard to get a decent job if you don't

@Chalanda

Thank you for your reply. That is some very good advise, and something I would consider. I had this idea of working in Saudi Arabia or Qatar before, my senior here where I work did that for a few years, made a lot of money and was able to come back to the UK and buy a house, clear all his debt. It is very tempting. He told me he worked with many Thai colleagues there in Arabia that were doing the same thing, early retired, bought land, built Condos on them and are now very wealthy.

Retiring in Thailand is the dream, but having enough money to support myself and my family with inflation looking forward in 30+ years is something I should consider, you are right, thinking as a young man.

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JordesJordes wrote:

@isaanfarang - hello! I really appreciate you taking the time out to reply to me in length. You have definitely given me a deeper insight, and my timing yes not so great i see the error in my planning.

I am sorry to hear about some of the tough times you have landed on. The situation you described at the pawn shop sounds like a particularly hard time. I hope some of those times you can put behind you,

I know the IT job I am hoping for is rather a pipe-dream and this has been a wake up call for me. I don't think the transition will be easy. I don't think being a teacher will reward me financially, but it might make a difference in an ethical way. I like my job now as it's problem solving, i use my brain and i help people. Teaching has similar properties. I already earn a lot and work 65+ hr weeks and 12 straight day rotational rotas , but i think the more you earn the more you spend, but perhaps with a Thai wife locking down the finances in a 1950's style American house wife sense i might be ok!

I liked what you said "Don't let your feelings make a decision you can't take back. I fully understand your situation and if I were you, I'd bite the bitter apple and go for an additional Diploma in teacher education that enables you to receive the full teacher's license that could help you to find a job at an International school." ------ I have thought about this. In-fact a good friend of mine taught with only a TEFL for 3 years in Thailand, returned here to the UK and became a qualified teacher with the intention of heading back out internationally. He warned me of the same things, and advised the best jobs were in the Thai Gov schools or international schools, with diplomas and degrees as a fully pledged teacher to reap the benefits and protection as you have mentioned. However, in my country, to get a degree as a teacher that's another 1 year QTE post-grad course, it's a possibility, but a big change in my career and turning back on something I have worked 5 years for. But, should I chase a career or love? That is the question my friend!

I am not so sure what your advice is, it seems like you are possibly advising that teaching might not be so fulfilling financially, but settling down in Thailand with my Mia and her lovely Isaan family and local life, once invested is hard to turn away from. Are their decisions in your life that you wish you would have chosen differently in hindsight? I appreciate the concern about the bar-girl doomed relationships we see, read and hear about, but I can honestly say with my hand on my heart after nearly 3 years, she is not that kind of girl, i think she could be the one, and we have spoken deeply about our future for children and marriage. She is not wearing any masks, i know her and she knows me.

Decisions decisions! I do not want to bring her here as she will become westernised, and frankly i think she would be miserable here. So become a diving instructor instead? haha! I wish it could all be easier. She would face the same issues coming here and finding work. Catch22.

Warm regards, Jordan.

Hello Jordan,

聽 聽 聽My apologies for my late reply, a strange type of Bronchitis and the school really kept me busy.

聽 聽You shouldn't leave all behind now just to stay in Thailand, without the right preparation. Another possibility you've got is online teaching, plenty of jobs available and the pay is even better than the salary at a government school, where you've got to work around 20 to 25 hours a week, plus preparation.

聽 聽Please become a聽 member at Hioffer- they're always seeking online teachers, usually for Chinese students, or have a look at as another alternative.

聽 聽Why don't you try to find an online teaching job, start it from your country and see how you like it?

聽 聽If I were you, I would try and live with my gf 24/7, which might give you a totally different idea about her. Why don't you live with her in Thailand for a while before you burn any bridges you might need in the future?

聽 聽 You need to have insurance, Thailand is one of the most dangerous countries. If you really want to come here asap, you could do an additional Diploma in teacher education that upgrades an existing degree in any field and allows you to apply for the full teacher's license.

But the Teacher's Council of Thailand's regulation is that you've got to show at least 365 days of teaching experience and your school must write a detailed evaluation about you. You could basically start at a school, do the course at the same time (which is 95 % online) and would save you some time.

聽 聽The fee of the diploma is around 60,000 baht and it will take up to 18 months, but you can pay for it in monthly instalments. Please see here:

聽 Never work for some fishy agencies with nine months contracts and clauses that are often against Thai labour law. Should you decide to give it a try with teaching, look for a full time teaching position at a government school with a 12 months contract, social security and all holidays paid.

聽 聽Kindest regards from lower northeast.

Isaanfarang wrote:

You need to have insurance, Thailand is one of the most dangerous countries.

Excuse me,...sir!聽

I (whole-heartedly) agree with 99.99% of what you stated in Post #14. However, I'd appreciate a further, more detailed clarification of your comment "Thailand is one of the most dangerous countries."

Really? All things of global events considered...

Kindly consider that I am not making this request,...as a typical Thai national, but as a citizen of the global community, instead. RSVP,...

My apologies. I meant Thailand is one of the most dangerous countries regarding traffic accidents and I haven't yet heard of another country where more foreigners fall off balconies, etc..

聽 聽 Fact is that way too many tourists, but also expats are without insurance, which should be on top of the list when travelling to or living in Thailand. Sorry, if I wasn't clear on that. Peace.

Hi Jordan,

I've recently encountered a small company that is looking for more native English speakers to work for them in their online technical support call center.

They advertised on Craigslist a while and at the time they were offering 1000 USD a month for 40 hours of work a week. If that sounds like something you'd be interested in pursuing, let me know and I'll give you their email address.

As an fyi, they're only interested in hiring ex pats. They don't have the ability to sponsor anyone's visas or anything like that. You'd be working as a contractor for them.

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Isaanfarang wrote:

My apologies. I meant Thailand is one of the most dangerous countries regarding traffic accidents and I haven't yet heard of another country where more foreigners fall off balconies, etc..

聽 聽 Fact is that way too many tourists, but also expats are without insurance, which should be on top of the list when travelling to or living in Thailand. Sorry, if I wasn't clear on that. Peace.

Thank you, and friendly regards,...as usual.聽

Have a look at Australia recently.

What technical support is needed?

Thank you and have a nice time!聽

Oakierush wrote:

Hi Jordan,

I've recently encountered a small company that is looking for more native English speakers to work for them in their online technical support call center.

They advertised on Craigslist a while and at the time they were offering 1000 USD a month for 40 hours of work a week. If that sounds like something you'd be interested in pursuing, let me know and I'll give you their email address.

As an fyi, they're only interested in hiring ex pats. They don't have the ability to sponsor anyone's visas or anything like that. You'd be working as a contractor for them.

A great post and a piece of very good advice. But the visa issue will be the OP's biggest problem, more and more expats are currently planning to leave Thailand because they're always making it more difficult for us to stay here.

聽 聽 Let's be honest. Thai citizens in most of the more "developed countries" would have a passport from the country after five to seven years of constantly living there.

聽 聽 I feel a bit disappointed that I still have to do all the yearly approvement of my visa and work permit, nothing has changed, it got worse than it was. And there doesn't seem to be light at the end of the tunnel.

Which raises the question of what type of visa the OP could live here for a longer period of time. When married, a Non- O would be an option, currently still available in Savannakhet /Laos without financial proof.

聽 聽 If the OP would be married and has got 400,000 baht, he can leave on a Thai bank account for the first time it must be three months in his name, he'd be able to apply for a Non-O visa in Thailand. Often also called "marriage visa."

Unfortunately I think you are going to have a tough time. Thailand is always going to look to hiring a cheap locals first especially since they don't have to deal with work visa's, and language and cultural issues and such. I seriously doubt you can do all this on a 60 or even 90 day visa. Your best bet is to find a company now while you are in your home country and apply for the work visa there first.

If I could offer a good bit of advice I would say Thailand is not worth it anymore. It is much more trouble than it is work because of immigration issues.

joyfulfeet_immigration wrote:

Unfortunately I think you are going to have a tough time. Thailand is always going to look to hiring a cheap locals first especially since they don't have to deal with work visa's, and language and cultural issues and such. I seriously doubt you can do all this on a 60 or even 90 day visa. Your best bet is to find a company now while you are in your home country and apply for the work visa there first.

If I could offer a good bit of advice I would say Thailand is not worth it anymore. It is much more trouble than it is work because of immigration issues.

You're so right with your post. It's not worth to go through so many loopholes when you have to rely on an income in Thailand, together with the visa/extension of stay issue that will always be a pain in the neck.

聽 聽 It seems that the former paradise has lost quite a lot. Many people have already left and a lot more will follow.