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sanooku wrote:

Yesterday, I was looking at different and similar of North, Central, and South Vietnam and happen to see that in the South of Vietnam a ladle is called 'v谩'. When I had a puncture on my motorbike and took it to a repair shop (in V农ng T脿u) they had a sign at the front that said 'v谩'. In this context, I believe 'v谩' means patch or puncture.

Just seen that in 'V谩' is also used for puncture or patch. e.g. C峄﹗ h峄� V谩 l峄憄

Anyway, unless the repair shop where you're taking your motorbike to, also happen to be selling ladle's, there shouldn't be any confusion. Or,聽 you order a hotpot dish at a restaurant and they also happen to be fixing motorbike punctures.

BTW, do you know any other words in Vietnamese that are written and pronounced the same, but have different meanings depending on context.

I just know one other:

* 膽瓢峄漬g

It can mean 'sugar' or 'road'. Depending on context. There are some others here:



p.s. please do try and share your experiences. I would have posted this earlier if I was aware of it earlier. Also, do try and keep your replies civil and within the rules.

One concept I was taught early on is that the Vietnamese language is written in syllables.

So what I see as a complete "word" is often just a syllable which must be put into the context of the surrounding syllables, before and after, and also in the context of the surrounding complete words which form a complete sentence or quite commonly, a well-known idiom, turning what might seem to be a nonsensical sentence into an idiomatic cultural shorthand.

Did I get that right, Ciambella?

Examples of that would be 膽峄搉g h峄�(watch) and c膬n h峄�(apartment). Two words, separate syllables, but together one noun.

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

So what I see as a complete "word" is often just a syllable which must be put into the context of the surrounding syllables, before and after, and also in the context of the surrounding complete words which form a complete sentence or quite commonly, a well-known idiom, turning what might seem to be a nonsensical sentence into an idiomatic cultural shorthand.

Did I get that right, Ciambella?

I'm trying not to participate in this thread because I tend to explain things the way a teacher does, which seems to offend a few posters as they've expressed that in their posts.聽 (Folks, I was a teacher in VN, in the States, and in Italy.聽 Old language teachers never die, they just lose their verb and slip into a comma -- or rather, put their audience in a coma.聽 I can't change my way when it has been part of me for so long.)

Anyway, to answer you in the shortest way I can: Very often, yes.聽 A little longer: A self-respect Vietnamese would never say one word and expect others to understand what he means.

Now, on sanooku's first example.聽

sanooku wrote:

Just seen that in 'V谩' is also used for puncture or patch. e.g. C峄﹗ h峄� V谩 l峄憄

"C峄﹗ h峄�" means rescue, not "v谩 l峄憄".

Ciambella wrote:

Now, on sanooku's first example.聽

sanooku wrote:

Just seen that in 'V谩' is also used for puncture or patch. e.g. C峄﹗ h峄� V谩 l峄憄

"C峄﹗ h峄�" means rescue, not "v谩 l峄憄".

I was simply quoting the text on that website:


I believe they come to you and repair the puncture. Hence the 'rescue' bit.

p.s. I was re-iterating that both North and South use 'v谩', as opposed to different words. e.g聽 ch膬n (North and Central) and m峄乶 (South) to mean 'blanket'.

colinoscapee wrote:

Examples of that would be 膽峄搉g h峄�(watch) and c膬n h峄�(apartment). Two words, separate syllables, but together one noun.

Aren't the 'h峄�' sound in '膽峄搉g h峄�' different to the 'h峄�' in 'c膬n h峄�'. One has D岷�u huy峄乶, the other doesn't (it has a d岷�u n岷穘g).

sanooku wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Examples of that would be 膽峄搉g h峄�(watch) and c膬n h峄�(apartment). Two words, separate syllables, but together one noun.

Aren't the 'h峄�' sound in '膽峄搉g h峄�' different to the 'h峄�' in 'c膬n h峄�'. One has D岷�u huy峄乶, the other doesn't (it has a d岷�u n岷穘g).

I believe Colin used his examples to expound on OceanBeach's statement of "what I see as a complete 'word' is often just a syllable which must be put into the context of the surrounding syllables, before and after,"

By itself, the syllable 膽峄搉g means copper or Vietnamese currency, and the syllable h峄� means glue or lake.聽 Together, they're not two separate syllables with two definitions each but one noun with only one definition: a watch.

To give examples of "Vietnamese words spelled & pronounced the same but different meaning", this thread could go on for years because a huge percentage of Vietnamese syllables are the same in spelling and pronunciation but with different meanings.聽 That's another reason Vietnamese is a difficult language to learn.

Ciambella wrote:

sanooku wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Examples of that would be 膽峄搉g h峄�(watch) and c膬n h峄�(apartment). Two words, separate syllables, but together one noun.

Aren't the 'h峄�' sound in '膽峄搉g h峄�' different to the 'h峄�' in 'c膬n h峄�'. One has D岷�u huy峄乶, the other doesn't (it has a d岷�u n岷穘g).

I believe Colin used his examples to expound on OceanBeach's statement of "what I see as a complete 'word' is often just a syllable which must be put into the context of the surrounding syllables, before and after,"

By itself, the syllable 膽峄搉g means copper or Vietnamese currency, and the syllable h峄� means glue or lake.聽 Together, they're not two separate syllables but one noun: [a] watch.

To give examples of "Vietnamese words spelled & pronounced the same but different meaning", this thread could go on for years because a huge percentage of Vietnamese syllables are the same in spelling and pronunciation but with different meanings.

I think we are talking about different things. I'm just looking for similar words to '膽瓢峄漬g' and 'v谩'. I think you said before no vietnamese would use these words on their own, but it doesn't mean we won't encounter them on signs.

So, if I see a sign on the road that say's '膽瓢峄漬g', I know it's not talking about sugar.

p.s. I edited my post before you replied below. Please use quote feature when replying.

膼峄涟 n脿o t么i th猫m n贸i chuy峄噉 v峄沬 anh ta:聽 I never care to talk to him.
T么i mu峄憂 bi岷縯 胆峄涟 anh ta 膽茫 thay 膽峄昳 膽岷縩 膽芒u:聽 I want to know how much his life has changed.

(Note: The examples above were written before you edited your last post, when you were asking for them.)

I'm out.

sanooku wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Examples of that would be 膽峄搉g h峄�(watch) and c膬n h峄�(apartment). Two words, separate syllables, but together one noun.

Aren't the 'h峄�' sound in '膽峄搉g h峄�' different to the 'h峄�' in 'c膬n h峄�'. One has D岷�u huy峄乶, the other doesn't (it has a d岷�u n岷穘g).

Seeing as I posted it under OB post I thought it was obvious who I was referring to.

colinoscapee wrote:

sanooku wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Examples of that would be 膽峄搉g h峄�(watch) and c膬n h峄�(apartment). Two words, separate syllables, but together one noun.

Aren't the 'h峄�' sound in '膽峄搉g h峄�' different to the 'h峄�' in 'c膬n h峄�'. One has D岷�u huy峄乶, the other doesn't (it has a d岷�u n岷穘g).

Seeing as I posted it under OB post I thought it was obvious who I was referring to.

I wasn't referring to you when I said 'use quote feature'.

Btw, if he edited his post within the 60 minutes of posting, we wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about.

There's definitely some misunderstandings surrounding the OP. I'm not asking for compound words/phrases. Just one word that could have multiple meanings if used on it's own. I know in everyday speech this wouldn't happen, as there would be whole sentences.

I'm referring more to words (actually one word) foreigners may see on a sign outside a shop or street sign. There you don't have any context given by a sentence, only circumstance or situation.

To give more concrete examples. Imagine you want to buy cloths, the shop may have sections with signs:

* Nam = Male
* Ph峄� n峄� = female

Here 'Nam' means 'male' not 'south'. If you see 'Nam' on a compass it means 'South'.

That's all I'm asking.

Similar to the English word 'right'. It means 'direction' and also 'correct'.

sanooku wrote:

There's definitely some misunderstandings surrounding the OP. I'm not asking for compound words/phrases. Just one word that could have multiple meanings if used on it's own. I know in everyday speech this wouldn't happen, as there would be whole sentences.

I'm referring more to words (actually one word) foreigners may see on a sign outside a shop or street sign. There you don't have any context given by a sentence, only circumstance or situation.

To give more concrete examples. Imagine you want to buy cloths, the shop may have sections with signs:

* Nam = Male
* Ph峄� n峄� = female

Here 'Nam' means 'male' not 'south'. If you see 'Nam' on a compass it means 'South'.

That's all I'm asking.

Similar to the English word 'right'. It means 'direction' and also 'correct'.

Language here can be quite baffling at times. An old man came to the apartment a while back with a package that was not for me. In聽 general my Vietnamese is passable but even my wife could not understand what the hell the old man was saying !

Indices wrote:

sanooku wrote:

There's definitely some misunderstandings surrounding the OP. I'm not asking for compound words/phrases. Just one word that could have multiple meanings if used on it's own. I know in everyday speech this wouldn't happen, as there would be whole sentences.

I'm referring more to words (actually one word) foreigners may see on a sign outside a shop or street sign. There you don't have any context given by a sentence, only circumstance or situation.

To give more concrete examples. Imagine you want to buy cloths, the shop may have sections with signs:

* Nam = Male
* Ph峄� n峄� = female

Here 'Nam' means 'male' not 'south'. If you see 'Nam' on a compass it means 'South'.

That's all I'm asking.

Similar to the English word 'right'. It means 'direction' and also 'correct'.

Language here can be quite baffling at times. An old man came to the apartment a while back with a package that was not for me. In聽 general my Vietnamese is passable but even my wife could not understand what the hell the old man was saying !

Really clutching at straws here, but is there any chance he could have been saying 'is this package for you?', or 'Do you know where this address is?'聽

p.s. I know you can take a joke.

Indices wrote:

sanooku wrote:

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Language here can be quite baffling at times. An old man came to the apartment a while back with a package that was not for me. In聽 general my Vietnamese is passable but even my wife could not understand what the hell the old man was saying !

In that scenario you could probably get by with one word - 'kh么ng' repeated over and over. However, it's not really friendly.

Since this was an older man, you could try '膽峄搉g ch铆, T么i kh么ng hi峄僽' (comrade, I don't understand)..l脿m 啤n/Xin n贸i ch岷璵 l岷�i (please repeat slowly). The '膽峄搉g ch铆' usually gets a laugh when used with older people. It dates back to 1975.