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Well, costs in Brazil have skyrocketed lately. Inflation is over 10%/year and everything from food to rent, transportation or schools are much more expensive. Gas has doubled its price in 5 years and as a consequence all the goods have also increase their prices.

Florian贸polis, SC, which already was amongst the most expensive cities to live in Brazil (also among the most beautiful and with a higher quality of life) has reached a point where it is out of range for the average Brazilian citizen. This is specially true for those living in the Santa Catalina island.

The minimum combined salary for a family of four to live comfortably (without extravaganzas) here is over 50 thousand US$ (or 250.000 Brazilian reais) per year, gross income. Less than that and you will only "survive", and this means basic eating, working and staying home most of the time, without having the chance to do anything the city has to offer apart from going to the beach to take a walk or a sunbath.

Well, tough questions as everyone always has different standards of living. Also remember, the cost of traveling and being a tourist is much higher than when you live in the same place. With all of the toll roads, travel by car gets expensive, however, busses, like Cometa, are comfortable and VERY cheap.

The majority of my economic experience is within the city of S茫o Paulo where I have been going to and owning an apt and car for many years.聽 When we are not there, we rent out our 1-br apt right in the center of downtown, a short walk off Paulista, for R$1,300 plus condo fees of R$300, with one car space, and no IPTU at all. You can easily find a downtown 2-br apartment for under R$2,500 total, a month. I just rented a large 3-bedroom apart in another large city north of SP.聽 The total monthly cost for it is R$1,350, a lot less than in the city of SP.聽

Most employers pay for your bus and subway expenses by the month, providing you with unlimited passes.聽 Most employers also provide a stipend to pay for your lunches. If you have to park a car downtown for work or an extra family car, that adds up fast, easily R$200 to R$500 a month. My wife has always had both provided for her.

My favorite pizza place is a 1or 2-minute walk from our front door on Fei Caneca,聽Pizzaria Nonna D'amore Ltda ME, (the best part of living downtown is everything is RIGHT THERE with you). A very nice pizza is about R$50.聽[link under review]

Driving; this all depends on where you live and work. When we are in the center of SP, there is no reason to drive, to almost anywhere.聽 Using a local bus or Uber is faster and cheaper than driving, especially if you have to pay to park, along with being much more convenient, so the car just sits. It is mostly used for travel, visiting distant friends etc. Compared to the USA, buying a new or used car is for the most part shockingly less expensive. A year ago, R$90,000 paid for a new high-end VW Saveiro Cross, Double Cab, I've been told it is about R$94 now. At the time, R$90,000 /5.3 = about $17k US dollars, as guess, that's less than half of what you would pay for a similar pickup in the USA.聽

Living costs are rapidly rising all over the world this season.

However in general the highest costs are happening in the most exploitive economies, like Japan, the UK, Germany, and the USA, while economies which produce and export commodities, like Brazil, are doing better.

03/30/22 Cost of Living in Brazil

We live in Manaus ,probably the most isolated major city in Brazil, so it will be
interesting to see how our expenses compare with others.

Housing听听

We鈥檝e owned our own apartment since 2018. At the time we bought, we were paying R$2500/mo to rent an identical apartment, so the savings have been considerable.

2022 Condominium Assessment 鈥� R$800

2020 Condominium Assessment 鈥� R$800

Our unit owners HATE assessment increases, so we have no increases, but pretty regular
Special Assessments 鈥� about R$300/quarter in 2022, R$200/quarter in 2020

2022 IPTU 鈥� R$852.37

2020 IPTU 鈥� R$730.25

We always pay the lump sum to get the discount.

Miscellaneous
Repairs 鈥� R$1000 to R$2000 per year

Utilities

2022 Electric 鈥� R$950/mo

2020 Electric 鈥� R$600/mo

In 2022, our electric bill is affected by the 鈥淏andeira Vermelha鈥� to pay for the effects of the drought in the Southeast. We aren鈥檛 affected, but like all of Brazil, we鈥檙e paying.

2022 Internet 鈥� R$205/mo

2020 Internet 鈥� R$198/mo

2022 Cable TV 鈥� R$178/mo

2020 Cable TV 鈥� R$150/mo

Our building has its own well, so water is covered in the Condominium Assessment

Propane

We buy two 13kg "botij玫es" a year for cooking, and always have one attached to the stove and a full one in reserve.

March 2022 -- R$105

September 2021 -- R$82

Food

2022 Groceries 聽R$950/wk

2020 Groceries聽 R$400/wk

2022 Restaurants 鈥� R$500/wk

2020 Restaurants 鈥� R$300/wk

Transportation

2022 Uber 鈥� R$500/mo

2020 Uber 鈥� R$200/mo

We've done very well so far without a car; that will probably change in the future.

Health Care (Two people)

2022 Health Plans R$1222/mo

2020 Health Plans 鈥揜$1135/mo

2022 Medicines R$300/mo

2020 Medicines聽 R$500/mo

Education

2022
Courses and Books R$300

2020
Courses and Books 鈥� R$300

Savings -- ~R$1500/mo, unchanged

Charities -- ~R$1000/mo, unchanged

Great review of expenses I live in a small city in MARANHAO. It鈥檚 inland on a river about 6 hours by car from S茫o Luis. Most people have seen gasoline jump close to 2 Reals a liter. This is in the last year. I live in a house we own so rent is not a expense. We did get Solar Panels have 7.6 kilowatt capacity. It was more than enough. We pay 38 Reals a month on average and have accumulated close to Three Megawatts in credit in a year. We can use this credit on another property but right now we don鈥檛 have a second property. It cost us close to 1200 Reals a month to payoff the panels. We should be done in 2 1/2 years. Our recovery of investment will be in a total of 4 years. We figured in raising Electricity cost was a good investment. I going to do a general cost 1. of the house Water, Internet, electricity, Netflix, cell phones, House insurance. Food and Health and Car insurance I will post separate. This is without the payment for solar. We have 4 air conditioners, 5 TVs big kitchen refrigerator. Freezer also Propane gas. 聽Cost 1070 Reals House hold base expenses. Car insurance we have a used RAVA 4 2018/2017 insurance went up from when we bought it new to 8500 real for the year. Registration 5,000 Reals up again and Health insurance 3,500 Reals a month. Now Food and Gas 2,500 to 3,000 a month food gas for the car 600 Reals a month if we just stay in town. We just added two more solar panels to 8.4 kilowatts total. That add another 500 Reals for 6 months. My total expenses without food and gas for the car 8600 Reals per month. In about of a year we will loose 1600reals our house expenses will be 7000a month and the car and registration will also reduce this further. This is right now I say just saying at home our average is 12,000 Reals a month. But we have family visit and this is not part of the expenses. Since I get paid in Dollars this is dropping right now this is about 2,600 US a month. So even without rent a car and good Health insurance can cost you much more. Example we could save 6350 a month with out car, car insurance, 聽registration each year for the car license and health insurance. Hope this helps聽

@NewBrazil聽 great info thanks. How many in your family ?

@abthree聽 Hi. Thanks for the detailed report on costs. One thing that stood out in your list is the cost of electricity: 950 R. Wow. There's a program that is kept up to date (I think) that states that the average cost of ALL utilities in Curitiba , including gas, water, and garbage,, is only 367 R. What could explain the difference. The website is [link under review]

Just in the past two months, according to the numbeo website, the cost of living in Curitiba has risen rapidly. Two months ago, the cost of living was about equal between Asuncion PY and Curitiba, but today Curitiba is 20% more expensive. That's a lot of inflation! Maybe the website was underestimating costs two months ago. From my understanding, numbeo simply uses the figures that residents report.

Ill have to agree with abthree, Those costs are on point.

Air conditioner alone and the amount of power i use for work its about 950 to 1.3k reais at some points depending on if its heavy season, and we get charged premium as i work overnight.

And if people are thinking of coming here to have a child. per month your looking at about the same costs just for the child alone.

School costs can vary depending on where you want your child for school at 3+ for as low as 200 in some places and it just skyrockets after that.

36 pack of diapers near 100 reais depending 1 to 2 packs per week so that can jump up to about 800 reais as a variable ( every child is different )

Health plans for childeren are cheap while they are young but as they age - so does the plans cost.

One thing to take is its good to be here, But you have to be financially ready or you will fall into the debt trap so fast that there will be no escape lol!

@abthree聽 Hi. Thanks for the detailed report on costs. One thing that stood out in your list is the cost of electricity: 950 R. Wow. There's a program that is kept up to date (I think) that states that the average cost of ALL聽... - @Getting on

As Mikeflanagan says, the big driver is air conditioning.聽 We have a 18,000 BTU split in our bedroom, and two 12,000 BTU splits, one in the guest room and one in the study.聽 We only run the guest room unit when we have houseguests, which is rare.聽 We run the big unit every night, though.聽 People in the South and Southeast don't realize that your hottest temperatures in the Summer are hotter than our hottest temps in Manaus, but we have no Winter here -- it's always聽warm.聽 My husband is completing his law degree, and his university has been on remote learning for two years now.聽 That means that we turn the bedroom AC off when we get up, enjoy the morning coolness for a few hours, then turn the unit in the study on around Noon for the rest of the day and into the night as he studies and attends class, and I work on the computer.听听

You may notice that we don't spend a lot on gas.聽 We do a lot of our cooking with countertop appliances, which drives the electric bill, too.聽 And we have electric showers in two bathrooms -- I still can't abide a cold shower!

Unlike Amazonas, Paran谩 really was hard hit by that long-lasting drought, which now seems to be moderating, fortunately.聽 It must be affecting electric bills there the way it is ours.

You get cold water. I absolutely wish. Its warm at night, hot during the day, the water is constantly hot. Only time there is any form of respite is when it rains - but even that doesnt last long haha!

Did you ever try to calculate your monthly costs for cooktop ( electric ) alone ? Trying to just keep the gas cans on standby if power goes out ( which if it does celpe here is really fast to put it back up ). I think longest ive seen without power was 4 hours

You get cold water. I absolutely wish. Its warm at night, hot during the day, the water is constantly hot. Only time there is any form of respite is when it rains - but even that doesnt last long haha!

Did you ever try to聽... - @Mikeflanagan

Funny story.聽 When I was in the Peace Corps in Sergipe, the caixa d'谩gua was tucked up between the roof and the ceiling of my house, and heated by the sun all day.聽 Whenever I could get away before dark, I'd rush home on my bike around sunset, because that was the only time of the day that I could get a really hot shower.聽

Nah -- we have too many appliances, and too many LED "fairy lights" on 24/7 to bother with trying to calculate individual demand, at least so far.

Amazonas Energia is really good at getting us back on when the power fails, too.聽 Our longest outage in the five years I've been here was five or six hours, but usually they're in the 20-40 minute range.聽 We keep a rechargeable flashlight in every room just in case, but seldom need them.

for sure.

Some kids in our neighborhood were shooting arrows at cats on the rafters and managed to hit our water tank last year.聽 So after iinstalling a new one we patched the hole in the old one and plopped it down on the tiles in the yard, in the sun.

So now, most afternoons, we have a hot tub to relax in ... fist time I've ever had an all over tan ....

04/01/22 Strike at the Banco Central

Employees at the Banco Central -- Central Bank of Brazil -- went on strike today for an indeterminate period, as reported in this morning's聽Folha de S. Paulo.

Strikes by federal employees in Brazil tend to be "work to rule" actions rather than complete shutdowns, and the union is warning the public of slowdowns, not stoppages, but they are highlighting Pix as one on the services that may be affected.聽 Members may want to take that into consideration when scheduling bill payments, and be ready to use debit cards for small purchases where they normally use Pix.

I've created a thread for this information, but I'll cross-post here as well, since a lot of people are reading this thread.

Unfortunately I can't unqote single lines.

Male, single, 39y, expat from Germany

If you are a tenant, what is your monthly rent? Please give details of the type of property you are in.

Medium size house near campinas (near Sao Paulo) incl. a garden and a pool. Average quality, nothing special : 4900R$ /m incl condo and taxes

How much are your monthly charges (water, electricity, common area maintenance charges, etc.) and additional expenses (mobile phone and/or internet box subscriptions)?

Water: 50-100 R$ for 10-15qm per month. With a garden and pool the water consumption is quite high.

Energy: 160-280 R$ a month. This is around 180-230 kWh per month. Again, the pool consumes a lot.

Internet: 140R$ a month for high speed internet, quite reliable here

Gardener: 280R$ month ; price way below average, but he is doing the really basics, it's more a cleaning of the garden then keeping it in shape.

Maid: 160R$/day. She comes around once a week and does a proper cleaning. Not fast but good. No laundry or ironing.

How much do you spend on commuting (by public transport or using your car) each month?

I own a car. The prices for new and used cars exploded within the last two years. I remember looking for a new Subaru Forester 3 years ago: 155k R$. The same kind of car is today maybe 320k R$. So doubled in 3 years.

My old Mitsubishi ASX 2015 (Outlander Sport) bought for 60k and is worth now more then 80k.

Fuel is at the moment around 6,8R$/Liter, Diesel the same.

Insurance is 3200 R$ and Taxes are 2800R$ a year.

Maintenance maybe another 500-800R$ a month (cumulated).

Adjusting the steering was 20USD (very affordable, and they used proper equipment). Repair of a cardan-shaft of my Offroader was around 120USD (in Germany this would be 800 USD if you find somebody who is willing to do it). Labour is still affordable here.

How much does your grocery shopping cost in Brazil?

Coffee doubled, cooking oil as well. Other products hardly changed. Meat and Milk went up by 50-80% (within two years).

I don't monitor but my brother visited me for three months and he did. We spend less then 1000R$/month/person for food (incl. cheap restaurants for lunch, excl. the fancy ones)

I guess, I adapted a little bit, and eat less meat. My feeling is, 2020 I spent the same amount, but had more meat.

How much do you spend on health care (health insurance, consultations, etc.)?

No idea, company busniness. Local healthcareplans often have contracts with certain hospitals etc. So there is no free choice.聽

How much are your children's school fees, depending on the type of school they attend?

No kids

What about your budget for leisure activities?

Maybe 1000R$-1500R$ per month in average. Sounds a lot, but touristic places are expensive and flights as well. And I want to take the opportunity to see lots of Southamericas, as long as I'm here.

Do not hesitate to indicate other everyday costs if they could be useful to others.

In general: products of the daily living are affordable. A kg of good meat is around 10USD and the quality is awesome. Vegetable etc. very good. Fruits are awesome, I buy mangos for 50Cents a kg and they are way better then in Germany.

Everything which can be described as "fancy" or above normale is getting really expensive, if possible to get. A new iPhone or apple-watch will be +30%. Tires for my roadbicycle are in Germany maybe 40鈧�, here easily 80-90鈧�. Components for the shifting (high class) are not available, I need to bring them on my trips.

And more items then you would thing belong to these fancy items.

Thank you for your contribution

@Galeus Has the crime in Florianopolis risen with the inflation?