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When we signed up for Caja as an Inversionista, I was asked to provide an income versus expense statement.  Every time we renew our residency I am expected to go to my local Ebais and reregister.  Sometimes it is a simple process and other times I have to fill out a five page application and a new income versus expense statement.  As a Canadian I use my guaranteed income, a LIF, Canada pension plan, and old age security.  I also deregister a portion of as RRSP but that is discretionary so I do not put anything to do with that on my income versus expense sheet!   We currently pay 27,850 colones a month to Caja for the two of us.

CR government is getting greedy .... I'll stick to the 3 month tourist option.

From 2017 onward I was previously registered with CAJA ( as a pensionado ) and paid about 27,500 colones per month.  During the covid pandemic I was told I did not have to pay the monthly sum for X months.  In the fifth month from the pause in payments I attempted to pay the bank again but learned I had been disenrolled since THEY said I had not paid for over six months.  In late 2021 I was required to re-register with CAJA and this time CAJA refused to off-set my monthly living expenses.  Thus I am now paying 123,400 monthly to CAJA.  Despite my arguments with the local office I have gotten nowhere in my attempt to off-set my expenses.  I've been told I must go downtown to re-argue my case but not to expect anything to change.

@sporto505 It sounds like the CR govt has moved to charging an income tax to pensioners but calling it the Caja. I think buying a house in Mexico is a better option. If I become a PR of Mexico I only pay 15% income tax in Canada. Zero taxes or health taxes in Mexico. Live in Mexico then rent out my home there Jan-Feb-Mar and rent something in CR for the best 3 months of weather. Watching the weather app most days it looks like mid April to Dec is rainy season in CR. I plan to travel a lot in retirement, never really spending more than 2-3 months anywhere so it makes more sense to have a base of operations in a cheaper country with a hot rental market in the winter. Thinking about Tulum or Puerto Vallarta. I would only be there April/May and Nov/Dec.

@Blackwatch I paid to obtain the residency in CR, will receive caja in December but regret now. Seriously thinking  of Mexico

Apparently the govt rescinded this just for the pensionado group. You only pay into the healthcare portion and not the pension program. I can't find anything on google news searches. found out from this youtuber...

Anyone hear any details?

@Blackwatch ive just arranged CAJA. ~$100 based on $1150 pension income. It looks like they did.

$100 isn't a lot but it's still almost 10% of your income. Perhaps most people have a small pension they use to qualify and then do not report other sources of income to the govt.

@Blackwatch

this is one reason that the government is not thinking what is best for the expats

the best would be for the government to let expats that out health insurance with the government owned insurance co INS

that way you have choice of private hospitals which have no wait list like the caja

@Blackwatch $100 is less than I was paying for US Medicare.

@Blackwatch

id like to hear how it went for you.

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Blackwatch it's lie. This law doesn't exist in practice. They charge us all portions of CAJA. This is typical "pura vida".

@Blackwatch

I had to go with rentista. My pension is really low. Corporation oroperty not an investment option

I took $ out of CDs to put $60,000 in BCR.

$350./ mo. for caja. I was floored. Immigration rule to show $2500/mo.

What do I click to get on forum? Reply was all I saw.

I also went with Rentista.  It was 2019 when I was finally granted Residency via the Rentista program.  I took a lawyer with me when it was time to register for the caja (after getting the 'Resolucion' document saying that my Residency had been approved.) ...  the lawyer helped me to 'Opt-Out' of the 'pension' portion of the Caja program... you don't have to join their pension program... they just don't tell you that... most of us will or are, already, getting a pension from our previous lives.  It saved me around $200 a month.  My caja payment is 127,500 colones a month... which is currently around $255 dollars, US, per month.

After first two years of Rentista; I had to renew (good for another 2 years).  It involved showing another bank letter saying I had $60K in the bank... and proof (receipts) that I had paid the caja everymonth for the previous 2 years; as well as receipt that I paid myself $30K per year ($2500 per month) for those first two years.  Actually... i had all of those receipts 'ready' at the renewal appointment (I did it at the Banco de CR)... but all they asked for was the bank letter. ??   After my 3rd full year, I was allowed to apply for Permanent Residency... it requires no proof of income whatsoever. You write a letter saying 'why' you want to be a resident here, pay $200 fee... fill out application... and then wait.   I recommend going to a Migracion Office in a smaller city, like Quesada.  Little to no lines, etc.

That's my two cents.

@rainagain

Thanks for that.

I'll go to caja and try to opt out of pensión

Last week, a friend and his attorney went to a CAJA office in Heredia to see about opting out of part of the monthly CAJA charges. It turns out that there are actually three coverages for which you may be paying.  The first is general health care; the second is maternity care; and the third is the old age pension which most expats will never be eligible to collect.

Since Jim and his wife have aged out of creating a family, and since they will never benefit from the old age pension, their monthly premium was reduced from around $300 per month to around $100.

!Muy bien!

@daveandmarcia You have an excellent laywer. The one I am using, told me this is impossible...time to change him.

Wow!!   So even though this thread started in 2022... it lived on long enough to deliver some good news to a few people... and I'm sure there are a lot of people who can/will use it.  Thanks all. 

@daveandmarcia

Thanks for the info.

I just signed up for caja and it's over the top.$350/mo. And I signed up Mar25 and paid that for a week.

I had to ho with rentista so the on paper 2500 is what it's based on.

@kohlerias

I couldn't use my property as investment cuz it's a corporation. The law 20 yrs. ago. 5 hct.

@Henrych ok, I sent a lawyer to CAJA paying her for the attempt to release me of this maternity and tico pension thing. She came back with the same nonsense that I have to pay, period, because my  reported income is $1125..., so I pay $125 every month for nothing since their CAJA is useless. I dont k ow how these guys did it but this pura vida thing is......

Henrych and others, I'm afraid you're not employing the right attorney to handle your CAJA premium issues. I know three or four parties who have, indeed, had their premiums reduced very significantly. One, at least, ended up in a CAJA office (not the EBAIS) in Heredia. I hope that's a useful clue.

There are actually three components to the CAJA premium. The first is what you expect -- personal or family health care. If you're a legal resident, temporary or permanent, it's not negotiable. The second is maternity care. If you're too old for this to be a problem then the right person at CAJA can get it waived.

The third component is old-age insurance not dissimilar from Social Security in the U.S. (Dunno about Canada.) To qualify for the retirement benefit, you must pay that premium for ten years (or maybe it's fifteen) and have reached the age of at least 65. Since almost none of us expats will have been here long enough to make the required premium payments, we'll never qualify for a pension. That, too, can be waived.

Henryck... I'm confused.  You're paying $125/month for the Caja and you're still complaining???...  that's a good price; regardless of the fact that you consider the Caja useless; have you actually used it much??  I mean... for 'general' things... it's pretty good.   I've used it, it wasn't that bad... and even just for 'free' prescriptions... it works.    The Caja sent a moto nurse to my house to give me shots for Papalomoyo during Covid... he came 29 days in a row!!!  I never paid for anything.  He got a case of beer from me though.

Can you clarify... maybe  $125  was a typo???

I'm just puzzled.

Thanks

@Schempf

Schempf...  I too am Rentista... thus, had to 'declare' the $2500/month thing.  But when I went to Caja Administrative offices to 'sign up' ... I took a lawyer with me (I used the office in San Ramon), he assisted me in 'Opting Out' of the 'CR retirement pension' portion of my caja payments... which saved me around $100 a month... so I'm paying in the $250 range right now... depends on the damn dollar.  I will, thanks to the info that Dave/Marcia gave to all of us... go back and see if I can get that 'maternity' care portion removed.  I'm not having a kid and I even have a document from 1992 stating that I had a vasectomy... so I can't have a kid, even if I wanted one.   

Hope you can get this changed and save some $$.  Best of luck.

@Blackwatch

so is this true? Did you ever find out? This is the first I heard of it.

    @Blackwatch
so is this true? Did you ever find out? This is the first I heard of it.
   

    -@dappleswhat04

I've lost track of this conversation. What is the "this" in the quotation?

I know that everyone who is a legal resident, temporary or permanent, is required to participate and pay into the CAJA, but some have mentioned a 19% income tax. If anyone is paying the government 19% of their declared income would you please give us the details? I'd like to know what governmental agency imposed this tax and how do you pay it.

Thanks!

@daveandmarcia

I have no idea. I didn't realize the forum does not put replies immediately after the item being replied to. I assume I was trying to find out if the 19% thing is true and it sounds like you don't know either.