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Mmr986:听 You can apply for the 30 day extension, only in Santo Domingo, but it won't be approved?听 That is so "typical" of things here.

And Toronto has heard rumors?听 They received information from Santo Doming on this months ago in a message sent to all foreign DR embassies. That document was even in the Canadian press. Such is life when dealing with bureaucracies.

The staff at any overseas consulates or Embassies are employed by the Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores and the DGM is part of the Ministerio de Interior y Policia.

There is no independeant civil service in DR and often the appointees to foreign missions are family members of the political elite with no training. And I doubt if the communication between ministries is that good anyhow.

The only people that matter on all things immigration are the DGM here in DR and what they say and do is the current reality.

It is useful to hear of interactions both abroad and here in DR but none of this makes things much clearer for those who seek to maintain legality for an extended stay.

Interesting

I was told by the consulate in London that you cannot apply for an extension to your tourist card in your country-it must be done in DR at any DGM office.听 I understand that if you go to DGM in Puerta Plata for example, the request is sent on to SD anyway.

Ducketts

Thanks for this update. Sadly often the embassies are not up to date.

You can start a residence application being already in Dominican Republic, one of my cousin got married with an ilegal venezuelan, he was ilegal here, the only thing was to receive his resident visa he had to go to Caracas and wait there to stamp his resident visa and then comeback to DR.

You can do prepatory work from anywhere!听 Getting the visa in your passport normally requires you to be outside of here!

I too was told that you could apply for residency there. There seems to be a lot of different information because I was told you had to marry a Dominican citizen, have real estate that pays you monthly or a pension when the lawyer I spoke to there told me I did not need that but just needed to prove I got paid working remotely. Not Sure what to believe I wish there was a Dominican website that had the information rather than relying on possible misinformation of others. Anyone know of such a site?

Marriage is one avenue to residency & citizenship

Rental income is another as is pension income

Call a good lawyer= I'll send you one or Planner will

This website should answer a lot听 of questions about visiting or living in Dominican Republic.听

Try the Embassy of Dominican Republic in USA website about visas and in particular residency visa.



In theory one could make the application to your home country DR Embassy in the North Pole if you had all the required documentation and lines of communication but you need to be there in USA to get the residency visa stamp in your passport and as such it starts in your home country, to start a process which continues after you arrive in the country and during the following 60 days you submit your residency application.

To get residency you need to meet qualifying requirements, which include marriage to a Dominican, investment routes including having a qualifying pension.听

Since 2011 it has become harder to qualify to become resident.

You should talk to a recognized immigration lawyer here.

The current process for residency starts at the Dominican Embassy in your home country by getting the proper visa for applying for residency.听 When you enter the DR with that visa, you have 60 days to complete the residency application.

Anyone that tells you residency can be started in the DR is doing something outside the current laws. Here is a link to the residency process.听 Note item two where you start with the residency visa in your home country:

The link for the first residency is not yet view able so I copied the page. Note that the residency visa is issued in your home country. This is a google translation:

TEMPORARY RESIDENCE (RT-9)


DESCRIPTION



FACILITATE DOMINICAN RESIDENCE FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR. TEMPORARY RESIDENCE CARD.



DOCUMENTS REQUIRED TO PURCHASE THE SERVICE



1.听 听 听 听PASSPORT WITH EIGHTEEN (18) MINIMUM MONTHS OF VALIDITY.

DEPOSIT WITH THE DGM A COPY OF THE COMPLETE PASSPORT, TWO (2) COPIES OF THE MAIN PAGE AND A COPY OF THE LAST ENTRY STAMP.



IN THE EVENT THAT THE NAME THAT THE FOREIGNER HAS REGISTERED IN THE PASSPORT IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE, HE MUST DEPOSIT THE DOCUMENT THAT LEGALLY GUARANTEES THE CHANGE, EITHER THE MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE IF HE HAS ADDED THE LAST NAME OF THE HUSBAND, THE CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO APPEAR WITH THE HUSBAND'S LAST NAME, THE ADOPTION CERTIFICATE, AMONG OTHERS, THAT MUST BE APOSTILLED.



2.听 听 听 听RESIDENCE VISA (RS)

AWARDED BY THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS (MIREX), THROUGH THE DOMINICAN CONSULATE IN YOUR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN, AND A COPY OF THE ENTRY FOR THE IMMIGRATION POST. ( IF THE VISA IS HANDWRITTEN, YOU MUST ENDORSE IT WITH A MIREX CERTIFICATION ).



3.听 听 听 听UNEXPECTED BIRTH CERTIFICATE

(PRESENT THE COMPLETE INFORMATION OF THE APPLICANT'S PARENTS), DULY APOSTILLED OR LEGALIZED AND TRANSLATED INTO SPANISH, AS APPROPRIATE.



3.1.听 听 IN THE EVENT THAT THE FOREIGNER HAS ACQUIRED A NATIONALITY OTHER THAN HIS NATIONALITY OF ORIGIN AND WISHES TO BECOME A RESIDENT WITH THIS NATIONALITY, HE MUST DEPOSIT A COPY OF THE NATURALIZATION CERTIFIED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURALIZATIONS THAT ISSUED IT, APOSTILLED OR LEGALIZED, AS APPROPRIATE.



3.2.听 听 IN THE CASE OF NAME CHANGE, THE FOREIGNER MUST DEPOSIT THE DOCUMENT OR DOCUMENT AUTHORIZING THE CHANGE OF NAME DULY APOSTILLED.



3.3.听 听 IN THE CASE OF NATIONAL PERSONS WHERE A SINGLE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT OF THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS ISSUED, A COPY OF IT WILL BE ADAPTED, DULY CERTIFIED AND LEGALIZED AT THE CORRESPONDING DOMINICAN CONSULATE OR AT THE HEADQUARTERS IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC OF THE APPLICANT'S CONSULATE OF ORIGIN OR IN THE OFFICIAL ENTITY AUTHORIZED AND APOSTILLED IN MIREX.



4.听 听 听 听CERTIFICATE OF NO CRIMINAL RECORD :

ISSUED BY THE COMPETENT AUTHORITY OF THE COUNTRY WHERE HE HAS RESIDED IN THE LAST FIVE (5) YEARS, DULY LEGALIZED OR APOSTILLED, AS APPROPRIATE. THIS CERTIFICATION MUST BE THE FEDERAL ONE. ( CERTIFICATIONS THAT STATE THAT FOR BETTER INFORMATION ON THIS, THEY MUST BE CHECKED WITH FINGERPRINTS WILL NOT BE RECEIVED BY THE DGM, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CONTAIN COMPLETE INFORMATION FROM ABROAD ).



4.1.听 听 PERSONAL IDENTITY DOCUMENT OF THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU DECLARE TO HAVE RESIDED LEGALLY FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS ( IN CASE THE COUNTRY ISSUING THE CERTIFICATION IS DIFFERENT FROM YOUR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN) .



4.2.听 听 IF THE FOREIGNER HAS RESIDED IN THE LAST FIVE (5) YEARS IN DOMINICAN TERRITORY AND TRAVELS TO HIS COUNTRY OF ORIGIN TO OBTAIN HIS VISA AND OPT FOR TEMPORARY RESIDENCE, HE MUST MANAGE THE CERTIFICATE OF NO CRIMINAL RECORD TO PRESENT IT TO THE DGM, IN COMPANY OF THE OTHER REQUIRED DOCUMENTS.



5.听 听 听 听FOUR (4) RECENT PHOTOGRAPHS OF FRONT AND FOUR (4) OF RIGHT PROFILE听 SIZE 2 X 2 WITHOUT JEWELRY OR ACCESSORIES AND BARE EARS; WITH THE WHITE BACKGROUND. THE PHOTOGRAPHS MUST BE THE SAME COMPLETE SET OF FRONT AND PROFILE.



6.听 听 听 听MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE ,听 DECLARATION OF SINGLENESS听 OR听 PROOF OF COHABITATION , IF APPLICABLE, DULY APOSTILLED OR LEGALIZED, AS APPROPRIATE. IN THE EVENT THAT THE MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE ABROAD, YOU CAN ATTACH A LEGIBLE COPY OF THE MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE DULY APOSTILLED.



6.1.听 听 IF YOU ARE NOT MARRIED TO A DOMINICAN NATIONAL, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT ANY DOCUMENTATION TO CERTIFY YOUR LINK TO THE COUNTRY.



7.听 听 听 听GUARANTEE POLICY听 CONTRACTED WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY DULY AUTHORIZED BY THE DGM. (HOMELAND AND DOMINICAN INSURANCE COMPANY INSURANCE).









8.听 听 听 听MEDICAL EXAMS.



THIS MUST BE DONE WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER PAYMENT (INCLUDING THE DAY OF PAYMENT) AND NO MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS FROM INSTITUTIONS NOT AUTHORIZED BY DGM ARE ADMITTED.

听



PROCEDURE TO PURCHASE THE SERVICE



1.听 听 听 THE PERSON MUST MAKE THE REQUEST THROUGH OUR WEBSITE.

1.1.听 听 ENTER THE DGM SERVICE PORTAL. ( )

1.2.听 听 REGISTER IN THE SYSTEM (IF YOU ARE REGISTERED, ENTER THE USERNAME AND PASSWORD)

1.3.听 听 CHOOSE听 THE "APPLICATION LIST" OPTION, FROM THE LIST OF AVAILABLE SERVICES, CHOOSE THE ONE YOU REQUESTED, AND COMPLETE THE REQUIRED INFORMATION ON THE FORMS.

1.4.听 听 THE SYSTEM WILL NOTIFY YOU ABOUT THE STATUS OF YOUR REQUEST

2.听 听 听 听THE SCANNED DOCUMENTS MUST BE IN .JPG FORMAT FOR THE APPLICATION VIA WEB.

3.听 听 听 听THE APPLICANT HAS THIRTY (30) DAYS TO DEPOSIT ALL THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS AFTER HAVING ENTERED DOMINICAN TERRITORY, OTHERWISE, HE MUST PAY A PENALTY (SEE STAY PAYMENT TABLE).

4.听 听 听 听ALL DOCUMENTS IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE MUST BE TRANSLATED INTO SPANISH, BY THE DOMINICAN CONSULATE IN THE APPLICANT'S COUNTRY OF ORIGIN OR BY A JUDICIAL INTERPRETER IN THE DOM.

5.听 听 听 听AT THE END OF THE DEPOSIT OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION, THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE COMPLETION OF THE MEDICAL EXAMINATION AND THE APPROVAL OF THE PAYMENT OF THE SERVICES, THE 鈥淒OCUMENT RECEIPT FORM鈥� FOR THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE REQUESTED TEMPORARY RESIDENCE WILL BE DELIVERED TO THE APPLICANT, IN CASE OF BEING APPROVED.

6.听 听 听 听THE MEDICAL EXAMINATION MUST BE DONE WITHIN THREE DAYS AFTER PAYMENT (INCLUDING THE DAY OF PAYMENT), OTHERWISE YOU MUST MAKE THE PAYMENT AGAIN. YOU MUST WAIT TEN DAYS TO KNOW THE RESULTS OF THEM.

7.听 听 听 听ALL DOCUMENTS DEPOSITED WITH THE DGM MUST BE ORIGINAL AND MUST BE DULY NOTARIZED, LEGALIZED AND APOSTILLED AS APPROPRIATE.



COST



SPECIFIC COSTS OF THE SERVICES

PAYMENT AT THE TIME OF DEPOSIT听 听 听 听 听

RD $ 10,000.00

ADULT MEDICAL EXAM (OVER 10)听 听

RD $ 4,500.00

CHILDREN MEDICAL EXAM (UNDER 10)听 听 听 听

RD $ 3,000.00

EXTENSION FOR FILE DEPOSIT

RD $ 5,000.00

STAY PAYMENT听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听

ACCORDING TO STAY PAYMENT TABLE

VISAVENCED PENALTY PAYMENT

ACCORDING TO THE EXPIRED VISA PENALTY PAYMENT TABLE

LOSS OF THE RECEIPT OF THE PAYMENT OF THE MEDICAL EXAM OR THE 鈥淔ORM OF RECEIPT OF DOCUMENTS鈥� FOR THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE TEMPORARY RESIDENCE REQUESTED

RD $ 500.00






TABLE PAYMENT PENALTY EXPIRED VISA



WEATHER

CURRENT RATE

1 TO 4 MONTHS

RD $ 5,000.00

4 TO 5 MONTHS

RD $ 6,000.00

5 TO 6 MONTHS

RD $ 7,000.00

6 TO 7 MONTHS

RD $ 8,000.00

7 TO 8 MONTHS

RD $ 9,000.00

8 TO 9 MONTHS

RD $ 10,000.00

9 TO 10 MONTHS

RD $ 11,000.00

10 TO 11 MONTHS

RD $ 12,000.00

11 TO 12 MONTHS

RD $ 13,000.00

Great information thanks!

No offense... But if you overstay your visa... you ARE a criminal.

Welcome to the forums.听 听

That is a bit drastic!听 You are not completely legal but I would not classify them as criminal. Lets not get carried away.

AND I won't allow a prolonged discussion on this point either. Its commonly done to overstay and pay the "fine".听 Until that is no longer allowed we are not going to classify it as such

Hi Planner, you are right. You're not deemed a "Criminal" by any stretch of the imagination. That was my concern initially because my 60 day completion period has expired, and I am just now in the process of finishing up submitting my Pension application.听 However, after visiting DGM, at the Malecon in Santo Domingo a couple of days ago, and sitting down with an agent who went into my online portal and walked me through the remaining documents I need to complete the process, I was told not to worry. I am not looked upon as an illegal nor as a criminal.

Not a criminal听 is correct - but the category would still be illegal.
There is no penalty at this point , other than the exit fee on leaving.

This has been discussed to death.

The part that would worry me about illegal status is that you have no rights or protection under the law when in that category.
Not that it's a concern for many... but something to keep in mind - IMO

There are no rights or protection under the law in this country anyways...Judges have no power, they can enforce nothing, I could go on... of course as always...it depends...

True.听 The law here is territorial, if your feet are on the ground it applies.

True. You have no power here and likely little help.

OK
Then the question becomes -
In the eyes of the judge/court...are you on better footing as a legal or illegal?

Actually the question is why do people think they have the right to be illegal?

Every country has the right to determine who can live there.

planner wrote:

Actually the question is why do people think they have the right to be illegal?

Every country has the right to determine who can live there.

I have come to find out there are indeed "open borders" people out there.听 They do believe they have the right to live anywhere in the world.听

The world, on the other hand, begs to differ with them.

Thank you. I have my birth certificate and when I got it they put a seal on there is that what they mean by Apostilled ? Also where do I get it translated ? And where do I go to declare I鈥檓 single and have that Apostilled whatever that means lol. I鈥檓 flying out this Sunday and was trying to have everything ready so that I can get married without issue then apply for residency.

classygringo wrote:

Thank you. I have my birth certificate and when I got it they put a seal on there is that what they mean by Apostilled ? Also where do I get it translated ? And where do I go to declare I鈥檓 single and have that Apostilled whatever that means lol. I鈥檓 flying out this Sunday and was trying to have everything ready so that I can get married without issue then apply for residency.

An apostille is normally a separate piece of paper physically attached by a rivet to a certified/notarized document like a birth certificate, divorce decree, death certificate, etc. The apostille is done at either the state office called the Department of State in the state's capitol where you were born or from the US department of State in Washington, DC.听

It does not sound to me like you have an apostille, just a certified copy which is not enough.听 If you can do a walk in to your state's Department of State, they could probably do it for you, otherwise, you would be waiting on the mails and not have its for a couple of weeks.

Thank you so much this is a huge help ! I have asked several people and they did not know the answer to that this is a bummer because my state capital is four hours away.听 Thanks again now I know what I have to do.

And my understanding is you must be married 6 months before you can apply for residency.

Also good to know, thanks planner

While applying for pension residency, you're given a log in code, if stopped show that and where you live. You'll be fine.

classygringo wrote:

I too was told that you could apply for residency there. There seems to be a lot of different information because I was told you had to marry a Dominican citizen, have real estate that pays you monthly or a pension when the lawyer I spoke to there told me I did not need that but just needed to prove I got paid working remotely. Not Sure what to believe I wish there was a Dominican website that had the information rather than relying on possible misinformation of others. Anyone know of such a site?

This is the official website for the Direccio General de Migracion听 Dominican Republic..



You can use oher website or information but this is the offical source and even it is not 100% accurate all the time. You can change it to English.

WillieWeb wrote:

Am I missing something ??

What seems to the problem with going the residency route ?

Regularly, I get chastened for warning people that the old ways will change, willy nilly

But reading the requirements for extension.... and being done once or twice every 30 days ...
I ask - Why not renew once a year - not once a month ??

Easier, more secure, ....

It may be I am misunderstanding something

Perhaps you are expecting the process to the logical and fair andi it is capricious and inherently flawed. Still, what you think should happen is completely irrelevant. It it organized the way it is and you can love it or leave it. Right or wrong, the DR govenment is not in the business of placating a few thousand expats who want to live her part time.

I'm getting pretty tired of snowbirds complaining about potentially needing residency...particularly those who own property here and live her 5 to 6 months out of every year. You are living here, whether you are heere fulltime or not. Wou;ld you expect your home country to say..."ok, don't worry about a full year's taxes since you're not here all winter." No...and why would you expect the DR governemt to allow you to live here without residency. I don't think it would be fair to have a six month Snowbird residency. Just pay for a year like everyone else. Or take you chances...the odds get more strongly against you every year. If you can afford two homes and the travel cost, you should be able to afford residency too. Sorry, can't get on board with the "poor little snowbirds" sentiments!

we are NOT disagreeing Judy

Just returned from the US Embassy today.听 My wife, a Dominican,听 was there to face the questions of a USCIS agent because they didn't "automagically" renew her 10 year visitor's visa which was never even close to being abused. Naturally there was concern that something was wrong. Yet,听 in the 10 year period of that visa, she was in the US less than a total of 40 weeks, 2 or maybe 3 weeks at most at a time, which is not even close to being an issue such such a visa holder.听 She answered a large number of questions, she did it entirely in English,听 over 15 minutes of an interview and the officer granted her renewal.听 听

Now to the point, and I know it is still US and not directly DR only related:听 Another Dominican woman was being interviews by another USCIS agent about renewing her 10 year mulitiple entry visitor's visa.听 听He asked her about the last time she was in the US and she replied that she was in the US for 4 months.听 He stopped her immediately and said,听 " Four months is NOT A VISIT !听 听You do not qualify for renewal of your visitor's visa".听 My wife said this agent had a lot of denials of visas during the 90 minutes while she waited for her interview. Everyone could clearly hear him when he spoke. Oh my,听 despite the stamp stating the woman could stay for up to 6 months, she remained in the US for only 4 months and lost her privilege to go back the US any time soon.

Now, back to the DR,听 yes they are still lenient on letting people stay their extra time as snow birds/extending their 30 day stays on tourist cards, while being illegal and still allow them to pay a "fee" upon exit.听 That is still true, it is still outside the law,听 and at the moment they have no workable change in sight on this to legalize that situation.

Following that thought

My wife is always fearful of the US authorities and asks a lot of questions

They advised hr that if a visitor thinks that 'stepping out for a few days or a week or so to start 'fresh'... it doesn't work.

They look at an exit of a month or so to qualify as 'leaving'..
not a little sojourn outside the border.

Indeed , they are tough.... and this all pre-Trump

As for Cdns... there is disagreement as to 5 or 6 months is the legal visiting limit for US visits.
My friend the Cdn lawyer & judge .... chooses the 5 month option
to be safe

After recently spending just one week in Canada, my wife cannot imagine spending even two weeks there.听 Eastern Canada, that is.听 Perhaps Vancouver would be more appealing.听

There is no question that just leaving any country for a short trip out and then back in would raise questions in just about any country. While that technique could keep you legal for more of the time in a given country, it also could keep you "out" the next time you try to enter.

Hello
I'm听 confused last December i stayed for 60 days because I was looking for an apartment and the day of my departure the officer showed me a list with visa prices up to 90 days the cost 60.00 US
I'm planning to travel in September and my stay will be 85 days setting for retirement move next year.听 I will apply in Canada for the residency before I travel听 but now should I worry about my stay!!

Don't worry at all. There is currently no real policy on this!

Thanks one less problem to think of
Have a great day

Interesting article about overstay.

Thanks for sharing.

If you plan on coming into the country to retire, plan on working here, plan on buying real estate, want to start a business etc, you should absolutely start working on residency

That is the clear message for which there should be no argument.

The argument about the value of the overstay fees collected being important is a very weak one. General short term legal tourism and residency brings in considerably much more.

Making those possible 120 days easily available for the longer term genuine winter visitors, who do add value to the economy, should have been a subject discussed and argued for.

Like any other country DR still wants and currently permits such good value visitors through an anomaly in it's immigration rules. But DR doesn't want people coming here for longer stays who have criminal records, are unable to support themselves or have health issues and who could be a burden on the state or a risk. Nor does it want sex tourism. And there lies the challenge matching the legal need with the wish to accommodate the valuable seasonal visitor. There are tough requirements elsewhere to weed out undesirables - getting US Visas for example.

But the journal is writing to target it's readership and why upset them or provoke more argument on this still grey subject.