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Sorry arman737ng but I have no experience with the Naturalize-se system.... yet I did go look at it because I'm curious about becoming a naturalized citizen here.

I'm sure that there are many with great need in becoming naturalized citizens here. I understand the need to be a full citizen of some place you can call home. Still, I'm not sure why I should do this and am looking for suggestions from other expats as to why and the best process to do so.

So I'm retired, married to a Brazilian and have Brazilian children, have retirement income, have property, have healthcare and seem to lack nothing except, perhaps, for a voice in choosing Brazilian political representatives. While I never plan to return to live in the USA because I consider this my home.

Any thoughts on what the best reason are to become a Brazilian citizen?

MattB

Hi
It will take some time. Maybe 2 months. So he patient.

Regards

MHSPCZONE wrote:

Hi
It will take some time. Maybe 2 months. So he patient.

Regards

Hello MHSPCZONE

thank you so much for the reply. Haven鈥檛 done this before. Also i am not taking any service/help from the experts. Simply reading and following the instructions accordingly.

So, by your comment, after submission it may take upto 2 months for 鈥楶F analise鈥�.

Thank you indeed, i will sleep well from tonight. 馃榿

11/11/21

Arman,

I try not to guess at things and if I don't know an answer I usually don't post, but let me say this.

Provisional Naturalization is rather uncommon compared to Ordinary, and the Pol铆cia Federal may not have tested their computer tool for it as much as they should have.听 To set your mind at ease, I'd certainly consider calling them and asking whether the situation your seeing is normal.听 It probably is,听 but it's worth checking.

abthree wrote:

11/11/21

Arman,

I try not to guess at things and if I don't know an answer I usually don't post, but let me say this.

Provisional Naturalization is rather uncommon compared to Ordinary, and the Pol铆cia Federal may not have tested their computer tool for it as much as they should have.听 To set your mind at ease, I'd certainly consider calling them and asking whether the situation your seeing is normal.听 It probably is,听 but it's worth checking.

Good point abthree. A valid possibility. I will give them a call. I dont know which no. to Call though. I will search through the web. In the meanwhile if you have it ready, I would love to grab it from you..

Arman

11/11/21

You're in Campinas, right?听 Sorry, I don't have that.

I am.. yes.. no problem. I will try to find out... thank you again...

11/11/21

mberigan wrote:

Sorry arman737ng but I have no experience with the Naturalize-se system.... yet I did go look at it because I'm curious about becoming a naturalized citizen here.

I'm sure that there are many with great need in becoming naturalized citizens here. I understand the need to be a full citizen of some place you can call home. Still, I'm not sure why I should do this and am looking for suggestions from other expats as to why and the best process to do so.

So I'm retired, married to a Brazilian and have Brazilian children, have retirement income, have property, have healthcare and seem to lack nothing except, perhaps, for a voice in choosing Brazilian political representatives. While I never plan to return to live in the USA because I consider this my home.

Any thoughts on what the best reason are to become a Brazilian citizen?

MattB

Matt,

I became a citizen about two years ago.听 You're right:听 Brazil is very generous with permanent residents, puts zero pressure on a permanent resident to naturalize, and in fact, a lot of people are rather surprised when we do.听 Permanent residents have all the rights of citizens except political participation, so the advantages are modest.听 Yet there are some.

Like you, I plan to live here for the rest of my life, and like the idea of participating politically.听 I probably would have naturalized eventually anyway, but being a partner in a same-sex marriage moved it way up my to-do list.听 With an openly and vocally anti-gay President and his allies in the Congress who would invalidate our marriage and the basis of my residency if they could,听 I wanted to place myself beyond their reach, and deny them even the remote opportunity of presenting us with a choice we don't want to have to make.

Both Brazil and the United States recognize dual citizenship, so that doesn't pose a problem.听 You and I are both past 45, so military obligation doesn't become an issue.听 Males between 18 and 45 theoretically have an obligation, but generally will be excused, since the Armed Forces don't have billets to even accommodate the whole cohort that reaches 18 every year by natural increase.听 According to my accountant, it didn't change my tax status.

On the upside, I can vote, which is nice.听 I can also participate in "concursos", the civil service tests for government jobs, but being retired, I certainly don't plan to.听 Brazil's passport is pretty strong, and while it's not as strong as the US's, it lets me go some places where the US passport won't, and some other places more easily.听 Other benefits are more theoretical.听 I can't be extradited, except to the US for crimes I may have committed before my naturalization, or for drug trafficking, but it's a little late in the day for me to start my Life of Crime.听 It may make it easier to live in other Portuguese-speaking countries; I need to research that.

The only downside I've identified is pretty theoretical too:听 the US government won't defend my from the Brazilian government, and vice versa.听 I never expect to be in a situation where I need that, so it doesn't worry me.听 Dual citizenship doesn't affect normal consular services.

As far as daily life is concerned, becoming a citizen didn't make me any more "Brazilian" in most people's eyes, just a "Foreigner who's a Brazilian Citizen".听 When I got my covid vaccinations, I used my green national ID card, my RG, just like every Brazilian does, not my old CRNM, but when my vaccination certificate was issued, it still listed my nationality as "Foreigner".听 At least here in the North, blue eyes still trump green cards most of the time!听

11/11/21

arman737ng wrote:

I am.. yes.. no problem. I will try to find out... thank you again...

Please let us know how it goes.听 It sounds like you've found the PF in Campinas to be pretty accommodating, and here in Manaus we've always found them to be responsive on the phone, so I'm hopeful that you'll get a helpful answer.

Hi
How are the things going on?
How was your search regarding Provisional citizenship,听 please update. Thanks

Hello MHSPCZONE,
In the beginning, I was lost and confused, if I were doing the right thing. But it is not as bad as you read in previous comments. After the application through the gov portal, it took them only 14 days to respond. They asked for some additional documents. Which I uploaded at the same portal.

The application through the online portal is self-explanatory. It has 4 steps. Currently, I am at the 2nd step.

All the best

Dear All听

Good day. I could not give any update as I was very busy in recent times. My daughter's citizenship was granted by the Ministry of Justice last week through an ordinance. DOU.听

Some interesting points I would like to mention:听

We submitted all our documents online.听

We never got called for the interview/fingerprint/digital photo by Policia Federal.

No one came to check in our apartment.听

We even went on a holiday out of the country for a month, in between.听听

It took 4 months in total.听

Thanks for all the support. I wish you all the best.听

听听

@abthree听

"听At least here in the North, blue eyes still trump green cards most of the time! ".

Wife realized this as well, I think there hasnt been anywere we have been able to go or do without some preference due to that alone. lol

@arman737ng

Hi, please what are the documents you submitted for the application and what are the additional documents they requested?

thank you

@abthree

Hi Abthree ,

Need some advice from you regarding听 my Naturalizacao. until now my process is over 6Months still have not heard anything from PF. do you think it advisable going to PF and ask? someone told me i shouldn't go better if i can send them email, because听 my going听 to PF may provoke them or get the case worsen. wanted to ask you because i think i saw in one of your post about your process when it over 6 months you when there and was able to solve the issue. ( 1 )quick question did you apply in SP Lapa PF or other states? ( 2)听 was your process was during this new Law Celpe-bras and online solicitar ? doesn't any one has ever had such experience i need some advice please.

Thanks

05/25/23 @abthree Need some advice from you regarding my Naturalizacao. until now my process is over 6Months still have not heard anything from PF. do you think it advisable going to PF and ask?听 ( 1 )quick question did you apply in SP Lapa PF or other states? ( 2) was your process was during this new Law Celpe-bras and online solicitar ? doesn't any one has ever had such experience i need some advice please.
Thanks
-@John Medros

Hi, John.听 I did go to the PF six months after I submitted my petition to check the status, and I was able to correct my file.听 At the time of my application I had not yet taken the CelpeBras, so I included another document to prove my Portuguese fluency.听 When I went to the PF office I had already passed CelpeBras and had my certificate with me, so although they rejected the document that I had originally submitted, they let me insert my CelpeBras certificate, so all was well.听

I went through the naturalization process in Manaus, where I live.听 I went to the Reception Desk in the Estrangeiros office, told the receptionist why I was there, and she had someone help me.听 I would hope that if you're friendly and courteous, they'll treat you the same way.

@abthree Thank you abthree i will try to go there check with them.

@dyantyi28 Hello, sorry for late reply. It has been more than a year, i finished听 the process for my daughter. There has been a lot of changes in between. Even the online application portal layout has changed.

Two main criteria your child has to meet,

1. He/She is under 10 years.
2. His/Her sibling is a Brazilian.
3. He/She and the parents are already a permanent/long term(9years RNM) resident.

Documents required, if i recall right, (Applicant)

1. Applicant鈥檚 Birth certificate duly appostilled, translated and notarised.
2. Copy of his/her RNM card.
3. Proof that he/she goes to school. (Strictly mandatory)
4. Full copy of passport. Even if the pages are empty.

Other documents:

one of the applicant鈥檚 parents will file the application on behalf.

1. Brazilian sibling鈥檚 Birth Certificate and RG
2. One of the parents RNM, CPF and Full passport copy.
3. one utility bill on same parents name as proof of address.

Do it yourself. It is very straightforward. On the new layout it even explains what documents to submit on each step. Policia Federal is very helpful. Don鈥檛 spend your fortunes on lawyers. we听 just filled our citizenship application few months ago by ourselves. Its all self explanatory.

I wish you all the best.

@arman737ng Thank you very much, much appreciated