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        Should get a fair trial and then a firing squad.

It was a very eye opening time for the world but interestingly most Filipinos never batted an eyelid and even the better half said we don't need those people and better off without them, maybe true for the guilty but the innocent? Seems plenty were caught up in the culling sadly.

We are simply bystanders and best to shut our mouths and let the system here play the game.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

May I ask a question please?

Given drug dealers kill by the millions, how guilty is the ex-president when compared with them?

Fred I'm sure you have been around the block a few times.

Drug dealers profit to kill while some simply order to kill.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

May I ask a question please?
Given drug dealers kill by the millions, how guilty is the ex-president when compared with them? - @Fred

       Does not justify skipping due process.

The ICC as well as the UN has become nothing more than a politicized farce.  I'm glad the USA refused to re-sign.  I hope they'll get out of the UN as well.  Useful at one time, but they've turned into ideological hacks now.

May I ask a question please?
Given drug dealers kill by the millions, how guilty is the ex-president when compared with them? - @Fred
   Does not justify skipping due process.
- @mugtech

I watched England change from a lovely place into a drug dealer infested dump.

Of course there are a lot of factors apart from drugs that have contributed to the old country's decline, but crime and unsafe streets are mostly down to drugs.

The war on drugs will always be a waste of time because the 'good guys' have to play by rules that dealers ignore.

I have no problem with Duterte's anti-drug dealing scum policies.

         End justifies the means?

    End justifies the means? - @mugtech

Pretty much.

I have quite strong opinions regarding drug dealers because I saw their rise in the UK and, more importantly, the damage they did.

I see them as no better than rats.

However, my opinion of drug users has softened quite a lot. I now see them as victims, but weak minded, pathetic ones with little right to live in a civilised society.

Cold turkey upon arrest for them.

I'm also anti-tobacco. Companies should be closed down, and their execs should have their possessions confiscated. They also make money by killing weak minded fools. Not really much difference, but tobacco doesn't cause the crime wave that drugs bring

To me is not the guilt or innocence of any party but the jurisdiction of an outside tribunal to adjudicate in another countries internal affairs.

Sincerely yours,

George Orwell

  End justifies the means? - @mugtech
Pretty much. - @Fred

Very MAGA of you.

Not going to share my thoughts on right or wrong but I think as guests here we have no need to be involved with this topic as it's political and up to the judicial system in the Philippines to deal with it.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Not going to share my thoughts on right or wrong but I think as guests here we have no need to be involved with this topic as it's political and up to the judicial system in the Philippines to deal with it.
OMO.

Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

Not involved, but can have an opinion.

To me is not the guilt or innocence of any party but the jurisdiction of an outside tribunal to adjudicate in another countries internal affairs.
Sincerely yours,
George Orwell - @Enzyte Bob

Do drug dealers embrace those thoughts when fighting over territories, or executing people they believe are a hindrance to their profits?

If so, they deserve the same.

         Old Testiment

    Old Testiment - @mugtech

Yep.

My small town in the UK used to be a safe place with hardly any crime.

Drug dealers destroyed the place.

I see no reason to treat them any better than rats.

You will never get a rat to behave like a human because it's a rat, and it will remain a rat until it becomes a dead rat.

Not having access to anything . . . Just how did they arrest Duterte?

(1) Storm his house at 6am and take him away in chains?

(2) Sent him a warrant through Phil Post?

(3) Put a black bag over his head and flew him to Guantanamo Bay?

(4) Lock him in the trunk of a Chevy Suburban disguised as Vice Ganda?

To me is not the guilt or innocence of any party but the jurisdiction of an outside tribunal to adjudicate in another countries internal affairs.Sincerely yours,George Orwell - @Enzyte Bob

His arrest by the ICC was made possible by President Bonbong Marcos.

Probably the result of the two tribal families bitter feud.

I guess the threat by Sarah Duterte to ‘neutralize ‘ Bongbong was the last straw.

To me is not the guilt or innocence of any party but the jurisdiction of an outside tribunal to adjudicate in another countries internal affairs.Sincerely yours,George Orwell  - @Enzyte Bob
His arrest by the ICC was made possible by President Bonbong Marcos.
Probably the result of the two tribal families bitter feud.
I guess the threat by Sarah Duterte to ‘neutralize ‘ Bongbong was the last straw. - @Lotus Eater

There's very likely to be a lot of truth in that

My friends in the north of the Philippines haven't batted an eyelid about Duterte's extradition while those in the south are universally outraged. Politics is played rough there! I don't feel sorry for Duterte, he would have done the same to Bong Bong if the shoe was on the other foot. Live by the sword, die by the sword!

@mugtech

"We always try 'em, before we hang 'em".

Duterte was arrested at the airport when he returned from Hong Kong on a warrant from Interpol the Philippines  had no choice

@bigpearl

Is it just an internal matter since it is an International Court? I tend to agree with an earlier post that these international organizations are becoming way to political and failing at their missions. The UN is useless as long as any nation has veto power. My understanding is that the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Duterte, then went to Interpol and had them issue a red notice. A red notice compels member nations to comply and therefore the Marcos government arrested Duterte and surrendered him. On the surface this all sounds well and good except Netanyahu has an arrest warrant from the ICC, why didn't they go to Interpol and have a red notice issued for him? If they did why are the member nations, Israel,  thumbing their nose at Interpol if they are required to comply? How can one expect a fair trial if the ICC has a double standard like this? I do want to know if the ICC is playing by different rules for different countries.

@bigpearl
Is it just an internal matter since it is an International Court? I tend to agree with an earlier post that these international organizations are becoming way to political and failing at their missions. The UN is useless as long as any nation has veto power. My understanding is that the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Duterte, then went to Interpol and had them issue a red notice. A red notice compels member nations to comply and therefore the Marcos government arrested Duterte and surrendered him. On the surface this all sounds well and good except Netanyahu has an arrest warrant from the ICC, why didn't they go to Interpol and have a red notice issued for him? If they did why are the member nations, Israel, thumbing their nose at Interpol if they are required to comply? How can one expect a fair trial if the ICC has a double standard like this? I do want to know if the ICC is playing by different rules for different countries. - @hmorris70

        Israel not gonna allow ICC to arrest Netanyahu.  We all know he is going to continue the war because it is the only way for him to stay in power.  At least 112 killed in Gaza today.  Trump must be pleased the Israelis are leveling Gaza to help his future building project.

@hmorris70

Isreal is not a member  nation of the ICC,  the Philippines  was at the time of the alleged crime, even if you leave you are still liable for crimes committed  when you were a member

mugtech said . . . not gonna allow ICC to arrest Netanyahu. We all know he is going to continue the war because it is the only way for him to stay in power. At least 112 killed in Gaza today. Trump must be pleased the Israelis are leveling Gaza to help his future building project.

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Not wanting to start a political debate.

I remember seeing newsreels of young people cheering  death to America (9/11) and shooting guns in the air.

Those who were 5 to 15 years of age are now 29 to 39, schooled every year in hate and future members of Hamas.

Percentage wise the deaths caused by Hamas attack on Israel would be many times greater than what America lost in 9/11.

How would you like them to be our northern neighbors?

How would you like them to be our northern neighbors? - @Enzyte Bob

        Canada is fine as US Northern neighbor.  How many deaths will it take until you know that too many people have died?

How long do you put up with a rabid dog? Polio, measles? Thinking societies get rid of them.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

@mugtech "We always try 'em, before we hang 'em". - @Rammers

The irony being that Duterte gets to stand trial with his expensive defence lawyers in tow. More than the innocent bystanders who were summarily executed by his thugs got.

@mugtech "We always try 'em, before we hang 'em". - @Rammers
The irony being that Duterte gets to stand trial with his expensive defence lawyers in tow. More than the innocent bystanders who were summarily executed by his thugs got. - @Lotus Eater

How many innocent bystanders were killed by the drug dealers that Duterte stopped?

Perhaps the ICC should have arrested the dealers instead of promoting human rights for mass murdering scumbags.

Human rights are great for humans, but scumbag killers for profit are, in my most humble of opinions, exempt as they are inhuman.

Their numbers make Duterte look like a new born lamb, but trying to rid his corner of the world of these rats earned him an arrest and trial.

I call for his release, a medal ceremony, and a large reward. Then give him a job as an advisor to other sensible countries that get rid of their vermin problem.

I'm sure and we all well know the country where you live has plenty of blemishes and atrocities, as for making him an advisor? He is chicken sh1t compared to the 3/4 most powerful countries in the world that have done far worse and it goes on for decades and most turn a blind eye, still the facts remain and not forgotten.

Interesting world we live in, sad most times.

Cheers, Steve.

I'm sure and we all well know the country where you live has plenty of blemishes and atrocities, as for making him an advisor? He is chicken sh1t compared to the 3/4 most powerful countries in the world that have done far worse and it goes on for decades and most turn a blind eye, still the facts remain and not forgotten.
Interesting world we live in, sad most times.

Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

Well that about makes my point.

The ICC didn't touch Bush II for his war crimes, and Blair is laughing- They got away Scott free.

However, a man who did his country a favour is a nasty criminal.

Stuff the ICC.

And your thoughts on Putin and the likes Fred?

Cheers, Steve.

And your thoughts on Putin and the likes Fred?
Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

Are nothing to do with this thread 🙂

So what's everyone's opinion about emotions escalating and something along the lines of martial law being enacted in the Philippines?

I left there a week before the arrest(?) took place after a month-long visit to Davao and Mati Cities.  I've spoken to my GF there several times since the event, and she seems to think nothing major will happen that will trigger the President to impose martial law, but of course anything is bound to happen.  I plan to return in the Aug/Sep/Oct timeframe and hope things don't get too warped there in the mean time.  She said Duterte is very well liked - especially in the Mindanao region - and they have already held several rallies in support of him with at least a few more planned.  Just hope it stays peaceful.

@mati_steve

Small earthquake in Chile. The Mindanao natives are restless but will soon accept that it is out of Bongbongs hands. Marcos can claim he had to abide by international law.

The 'chatter' you are hearing is just that.