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听 听 听 听 听 Perhaps they expect her to file for a spousal visa.

Unless she is very rich, they will assume she won't come back due to economic reasons. Second if you are married then they assume you are trying to avoid getting a immigrant visa and going to attempt to adjust in the states once admitted.听 Either way she is going to be denied as a intending immigrant so they have grounds for a quick denial.听 Being of working age is a huge disadvantage.听

@TitoDan

Ok dude, I've done extensive research on this subject.听 A spousal visa takes anywhere from 12-24 months to acquire, but then your wife will have a green card and she can stay in the US for as long as she wants and visit anytime she wants. However, if she doesn't want to live in the US (like my wife) then it doesn't really make sense other than it has a very high approval rate.听 A spousal visa is rarely denied, however it is complicated and the paperwork is intricate.听 A lot of couples use an agency, but it's quite expensive (some agencies charge around 150,000 pesos).听 I believe these agencies are in cahoots with the US embassy and it seems the Philippines government doesn't like it when it's citizens try to do stuff for themselves and when they receive paperwork from these agencies it is streamlined and more readily approved.听 I had this experience when I processed my SRRV.听 It doesn't make sense that a spousal visa would be more readily approved, but again, where do we live?听 Now, here's the trick to the tourist visa!!听 Your wife has to establish strong ties to the Philippines.听 What this means is she has to show many good reasons why she wouldn't want to "jump ship" and try to stay in the Philippines permanently.听 She has to establish reasons why she would want to come back.听 I have interviewed many Filipinos who have had their applications denied the first time, then they did research and followed听 advice from people who have had an approved tourist visa application and walIa, approved! I know it's @@#!@ stupid, but there it is! Examples of this criteria are listed below:

1. Proof of owned property or business.
2. Strong family ties.
3. Attending school
4. Member of a established church group or government agencies
5. A large amount of money in her/your bank account (I know one person who was poor, but she had all her family and friends combine their money and put it in her bank account just to show she could afford the return trip)
6. A Pagibig investment...
7. Long term employment

Anyway you get my drift.听 These are just examples of the criteria of course the more the merrier.听 Getting this in written form from family, friends, employer, church bank statements would be the best way.听 The US Embassy in the Philippines should be run by US people, but it's not so I think (just like anything dealing with the Phils gov't) they just love redundant paperwork.听 Anyway, I hope this helps...Later alligator!

Whakerdog:听 nice.听 听I spent many years working for ice and ins.听 Dept of States denial rate seems to be linked to the % of those who overstay.听 Certain demographics have a difficult/impossible time getting a visitor visa.听 听It sounds crazy but getting a immigrant visa and then surrendering it for a b1b2 visitor nonimmigrant visa might be easier.听 Since she probably would spend more time out if the U.S.听 and eventually they will revoke the lpr status if she is not spending a majority of her time in the states. I130/129f petition and consulate part are all about following directions/instructions.听

Many thanks for the comments/suggestions.听 Seems we had two heavy reasons she was denied:听 She fits the profile for a possible overstayer in US, and we were poorly prepared.听 If we do it again, we will plead a heavier case, especially the 'ties to Php part.'听 She has family, owns a house and a vehicle.听 That should have been a big part of the interview.听 Sigh.听 听

yes, TitoDan, but how could you possible know this.听 The assume everyone wants to come and live in the US.听 I left the US to live here...don't want to go back to live there so why should I have to spend a fuckton of money to acquire a spousal visa....I think its just the Phil gov't trying to get more money!听 The fee's for a spousal visa are much more than a tourist visa.听 It's ridiculous!听 Later alligator!

听 听 yes, TitoDan, but how could you possible know this.听 The assume everyone wants to come and live in the US.听 I left the US to live here...don't want to go back to live there so why should I have to spend a fuckton of money to acquire a spousal visa....I think its just the Phil gov't trying to get more money!听 The fee's for a spousal visa are much more than a tourist visa.听 It's ridiculous!听 Later alligator!
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听 听 -@whackerdog123

Many Filipinos who would come to the US as visitors would overstay if not filtered out by the interview process. In fact, I knew some in the US who did just that. The reason they want to stay is the potential for money, working at any job, even menial such as a server at a Chinese restaurant. Their low pay in dollars is many times what the Phils offers if they can even get a job here. They can get money in the US to support family here. You on the other have completely different reasons for wanting to go in the reverse direction. You already have your money. Many Filipinos who have built a nest egg and retired in the US with SSA pensions have indeed decided to return here. The US is almost designed for young immigrants who have a desire to work many hours and make maximum dollars. The Philippines is almost designed for people who no longer work and have a relatively fixed income.

My wife just applied recently and received her 10 year visitor visa. She listened to the questions that the lady before her answered and that lady was denied, but the same exact interviewer asked her totally different questions and still we cant figure out why the lady before her was denied and my wife was granted. We also had buckoo documents tying her to phils and guaranteeing her return, but the interview didnt even ask for them and when she offered, the interviewer stated she did鈥檔t need them. Only guess I have is these interviewers do this all day, every day so they pretty good at determining who they think will come back or Run. They are only going to ask 3-4 questions and make there decision from that. My wife said the interviewer was staring at the monitor the whole time, not really looking at her, just listening to her answers. So im assuming it was our application she was looking at.

So I would advise to take extra care in filling it out along with the supporting docs and make sure her interview answers match her application. Also school her to be precise on her answers. Never say MAYBE, especially when asked how long she will be visiting, she needs to be exact on that and the reason she is applying.

Also since you are married but your living, and I鈥檓 assuming employed there, while she is living here might become a obstacle in convincing the interviewer that she will come back...

听 听 My wife just applied recently and received her 10 year visitor visa. She listened to the questions that the lady before her answered and that lady was denied, but the same exact interviewer asked her totally different questions and still we cant figure out why the lady before her was denied and my wife was granted. We also had buckoo documents tying her to phils and guaranteeing her return, but the interview didnt even ask for them and when she offered, the interviewer stated she did鈥檔t need them. Only guess I have is these interviewers do this all day, every day so they pretty good at determining who they think will come back or Run. They are only going to ask 3-4 questions and make there decision from that. My wife said the interviewer was staring at the monitor the whole time, not really looking at her, just listening to her answers. So im assuming it was our application she was looking at.So I would advise to take extra care in filling it out along with the supporting docs and make sure her interview answers match her application. Also school her to be precise on her answers. Never say MAYBE, especially when asked how long she will be visiting, she needs to be exact on that and the reason she is applying. Also since you are married but your living, and I鈥檓 assuming employed there, while she is living here might become a obstacle in convincing the interviewer that she will come back...听 听 听 听 -@vehicross100

An attorney in the US told us once not to try to make sense of this. Interviewers may be Filipinos who have their own ideas about who to allow in the US. Surprisingly, she said many are racist; yes, racist against other Filipinos who may have darker skin and Malay family names rather than Spanish. No foreigner has a constitutional right to visit the USA so don't expect equal rights or civil rights to be any part of an appeal. There is no appeal. She said admission is very arbitrary and said the only way to deal with constant denials is to contact your US Senator.That definately works if you can an endorsment from their office. I know people who came into NC; NC Senator Jesse Helms was a great man often called a racist but that wasn't true and he helped many brown skinned Filipinos into the US. When we sought help, we had a different Republican Senator, Elizabeth Dole, who refused to help despite my wife's tears over the phone. It was sincere and 馃挃 ng to watch as her opportunity to bring her sister into NC for a visit simply vanished. Her office just turned her down for no reason, perhaps because they didn't like poor brown people. Senator Helms was much maligned but actually a great humanitarian.

@Tito Dan - Since you already lost some money and time, maybe it's time to consider spousal visa? I understand it may take a year or so, but the chances of getting the visa is pretty high.

听 听 @Tito Dan - Since you already lost some money and time, maybe it's time to consider spousal visa? I understand it may take a year or so, but the chances of getting the visa is pretty high.
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听 听 -@Jackson4

Yes that would be the best solution plus give the spouse permanent residence in the USA which is very high value no matter whatever of them think. That would be a life changing event for the woman and probably her family if she decided to stay for a while; she would be eligible for a green card and the opportunity to participate in the US dollar economy.

danfinn said. . . . An attorney in the US told us once not to try to make sense of this. Interviewers may be Filipinos who have their own ideas about who to allow in the US. Surprisingly, she said many are racist; yes, racist against other Filipinos who may have darker skin and Malay family names rather than Spanish.

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My reply to the above is slightly of topic. In the states my wife encountered (once) racism from a Filipino customer service representative inside Bank of America. We were simply trying to add my wife on to my account unsuccessfully. I switch my business away from BoA.

I was successful in opening a joint account at Citibank incidentally whose manager was Filipino dissent.

听 听 听 听Senator Helms was much maligned but actually a great humanitarian.
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听 听 -@danfinn

Helms called homosexuals "Weak, morally sick wretches."听 听

Great humanitarian?听 He blocked lesbian appointments and said that if that makes him a bigot, then he is a bigot.听 He admitted it, why can't you?

听 听 听 听 听 听Senator Helms was much maligned but actually a great humanitarian.听 听 听 听 -@danfinn

Helms called homosexuals "Weak, morally sick wretches."听 听
Great humanitarian?听 He blocked lesbian appointments and said that if that makes him a bigot, then he is a bigot.听 He admitted it, why can't you?
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听 听 -@mugteck

Well I don't know much about that other stuff but I was a NC resident and Helms was the type of Southerner that secular progressive Yankees loved to hate. There was an era not so long ago in the US that many of his viewpoints were mainstream...even barack Obama opposed gay marriage...and frankly, it is rather absurd to apply today's standards to yesterday. He was elected to several terms in the US Senate by majority of voters in NC whom I suspect would regard the opinions of such people to be more fitting for the circular file. The fact remains that he helped Filipinos immigrate to this country and I don't think we see that in politicians today. I will ignore your challenge and consign "it" to the same circular file where it belong with all the other trash.

听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听There was an era not so long ago in the US that many of his viewpoints were mainstream...

White supremacy and homophobia were mainstream in NC, does not make it right.听 Not that long ago George Wallace got electral votes, you must have been proud

mugteck said . . . . White supremacy and homophobia were mainstream in NC, does not make it right.听 Not that long ago George Wallace got electral votes, you must have been proud

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President Lydon Johnson was a devout raciest.

(1) As senate majority leader the 1957 Civil Rights Act was passed.

(2) As President the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed.

(3) As President the 1965 Voting Rights was passed.

(4) As President the War on Poverty was passed.

(5) As President the Great Society was passed.

President Johnson nominated Thurgood Marshall the first African American to serve on the Supreme Court.

Not bad for a raciest.

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听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听 听There was an era not so long ago in the US that many of his viewpoints were mainstream...

White supremacy and homophobia were mainstream in NC, does not make it right.听 Not that long ago George Wallace got electral votes, you must have been proud
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听 听 -@mugteck

Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed. Mother Theresa Mugteck: Stop accusing people of having less morality than yourself. The self image you are trying to cast is not believable.

Stop being a royal pain in the keister.

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Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed. Mother Theresa Mugteck: Stop accusing people of having less morality than yourself. The self image you are trying to cast is not believable.
Stop being a royal pain in the keister.

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听 听 mugteck said . . . . White supremacy and homophobia were mainstream in NC, does not make it right.听 Not that long ago George Wallace got electral votes, you must have been proud
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President Lydon Johnson was a devout raciest.
(1) As senate majority leader the 1957 Civil Rights Act was passed.
(2) As President the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed.
(3) As President the 1965 Voting Rights was passed.
(4) As President the War on Poverty was passed.
(5) As President the Great Society was passed.

President Johnson nominated Thurgood Marshall the first African American to serve on the Supreme Court.

Not bad for a raciest.听 听
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听 听 -@Enzyte Bob

Even George Wallace repented before he died.听 One of the great things about Chritianity is the big eraser idea that no matter what you did or said, in the end all is forgiven, you admit to your sins and then you are on the expressway to heaven

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Even George Wallace repented before he died.听 One of the great things about Chritianity is the big eraser idea that no matter what you did or sisnsaid, in the end all is forgiven, you admit to your sins and then you are on the expressway to heaven
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听 听 -@mugteck

When I referred to you as Mother Theresa Mugteck, that was just a joke. I didn't expect you to take it seriously lol.

听 听 听 听 mugteck said . . . . White supremacy and homophobia were mainstream in NC, does not make it right.听 Not that long ago George Wallace got electral votes, you must have been proud***President Lydon Johnson was a devout raciest.(1) As senate majority leader the 1957 Civil Rights Act was passed.(2) As President the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed.(3) As President the 1965 Voting Rights was passed.(4) As President the War on Poverty was passed.(5) As President the Great Society was passed.President Johnson nominated Thurgood Marshall the first African American to serve on the Supreme Court.Not bad for a raciest.听 听 听 听 听 听 -@Enzyte Bob

Even George Wallace repented before he died.听 One of the great things about Chritianity is the big eraser idea that no matter what you did or said, in the end all is forgiven, you admit to your sins and then you are on the expressway to heaven
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听 听 -@mugteck

Substitute Christians with Bankers. They call it Moral Hazard. Just imagine the reception you receive听 at the Pearly Gates if you tick both boxes.

听 听 听 听 Even George Wallace repented before he died.听 One of the great things about Chritianity is the big eraser idea that no matter what you did or sisnsaid, in the end all is forgiven, you admit to your sins and then you are on the expressway to heaven听 听 听 听 -@mugteck

When I referred to you as Mother Theresa Mugteck, that was just a joke. I didn't expect you to take it seriously lol.
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听 听 -@danfinn

Mostly ignore name calling, take very little of what you say seriously.

mugteck said. . .听 . Even George Wallace repented before he died.听 One of the great things about Chritianity is the big eraser idea that no matter what you did or said, in the end all is forgiven, you admit to your sins and then you are on the expressway to heaven

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mugteck with all the baggage you carry even the Pope couldn't get you on that expressway.
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@danfinn

There very well maybe Filipino/Americans conducting the interviews, but on the day my wife went she said they were all American/Caucasians conducting all the interview...Also during my sons interview for his Citizenship we only seen Americans working the windows, no Filipino's at all in our view...

@Enzyte Bob

Off Topic, but do you by any chance remember the requirements Citibank asked for in opening a joint account ?

听 听 @danfinn
There very well maybe Filipino/Americans conducting the interviews, but on the day my wife went she said they were all American/Caucasians conducting all the interview...Also during my sons interview for his Citizenship we only seen Americans working the windows, no Filipino's at all in our view...
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听 听 -@vehicross100

This is hard to address because I don't know if you are talking about the Philippine embassy in manila,听 cebu consulate or INS in the US. I will say I am not exceedingly surprised by your experience, it simply differs from my own which also handshakes with what a USA immigration attorney told us. Is is possible that the State Department stopped contracting local Filipino emloyees here...I suppose. I will say that when I went to the US embassy in 2018, there sure were a lot of Filipino Americans there behind the windows, I did meet my sister in law's interviewer, a Filipino American who spoke to her in Cebuano and rejected her. But visitor visa interviews would seemingly require a discussion in the native languages here, right? They cannot expect all foreign applicants to speak English and the most efficient way to accomplish to that just might be to hire a bilingual Filipino American rather than train Caucasians to speak several Filipino dialects...or so it would seem. But it's not important.

听 听 @Enzyte Bob
Off Topic, but do you by any chance remember the requirements Citibank asked for in opening a joint account ?
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听 听 -@vehicross100

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Just photo i.d. for both of us and just the usual paperwork. (Checking & Savings Accounts in the states)

I thought this post was about visa's not morality issues!听 That's why I don't visit here much anymore...you start out messaging about one topic and then it seems that a lot of you go "off" on tangents.听 Why not just post a new topic.

听 听 I thought this post was about visa's not morality issues!听 That's why I don't visit here much anymore...you start out messaging about one topic and then it seems that a lot of you go "off" on tangents.听 Why not just post a new topic.听 听 听 听 -@whackerdog123

I understand what you say, keeping in mind that it is natural for topics in human communication to evolve into new insights and perspectives as more and more people with diverse interests contribute. However, in this case I would not agree that morality issues evolved in the discussion but actually hidden political agendas, perhaps symptomatic of the world's divided political landscape esp in the West.

The OP seems to have got his answers as he hasn't been back to respond but probably reading and wondering why his topic went left field/hijacked and having a giggle.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

whackerdog123 said. . . . I thought this post was about visa's not morality issues!听 That's why I don't visit here much anymore...you start out messaging about one topic and then it seems that a lot of you go "off" on tangents.听 Why not just post a new topic.

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Tangents of posts happens, if all posts were cut & dry, it wouldn't take long for the original post to die. The forum beside exchanging information is also a social gathering point for active members.

If you eliminate all posts that had off topic input this forum it would become a graveyard and useless for those seeking information.

I read this forum with my morning cup of coffee, I have determined bigpearl probably drinks his coffee at the same time.
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听 听 The OP seems to have got his answers as he hasn't been back to respond but probably reading and wondering why his topic went left field/hijacked and having a giggle.OMO.Cheers, Steve.听 听 听 听 -@bigpearl

Hijacked or simply evolved? It is natural for discussions to expand and evolve into something else. Some people think that is a bad thing but I think it is fine as there is no universal commandment that stipulates we must never divert; where contributing new information, something desirable, is basically prohibited.

I understand Dan and Bob and I am guilty from time to time also but do try to stay on topic or simply as another member stated "start another thread." Have started plenty over the years.

Only my thoughts and can't remember what the forum rules state but an expat site no matter the country, but hey this is the Philippines forum and political/religious or derogatory thoughts especially if it's to do with a foreign country have no place here let alone getting involved at those levels within the Philippines forum as I'm sure it's monitored and not just by admin.

It's a good forum with a generally great bunch of guys with insight/experience and opinions and we should try to stay on track so.

Sort of back on track I love my immi office, mentioned this many times with regards to visa options and they are always helpful and have all the info, can't fault them.

As for the US consulate interview when it comes to husband and wife I have no Idea but with the correct research and paperwork should be a walk in the park, obviously not.

OMO as always Bob.

Cheers, Steve.

Let me explain what I meant...When an expat asks a specific question for information, the topic (in my opinion) should stay on subject.听 Why should someone who wants/needs vital advice have to sift through a bunch of non-related bullshit?听 It is humorous, I will agree, but I've posted inquiries about information I've asked about on this site and ended up getting nothing really useful as a result of tangents.听 I mean I posted a topic about a us phone number or such (can't really remember the topic) and the post turned into a pissing contest between two people (both idiots) about how this person didn't know what they were talking about and they should go back to the country they came from etc....听 I know this forum is for socializing as well as helping each other, but it seems like almost every "EVERY" post goes of on a tangent..听 I'm sure that's not 100% accurate, but you get my drift.听 I remember one post that started out about an expat asking about solar power and the topic ended about "black holes" in the center of the galaxy...WTF?听 Anyway, just sayin!

@whackerdog123 exclaimed:

"I remember one post that started out about an expat asking about solar power and the topic ended about "black holes" in the center of the galaxy...WTF?听 Anyway, just sayin!"

The thing is, just because you start a topic does not mean you have any control over how people respond. Many times my own responses are aimed at the group, not the OP. This is not a QA group, it is a forum. Your topic is not owned by you it is owned by the forum under the guidance of the admins 馃憤.

Shit, I just realized I'm doing the very thing I'm speaking out about. I just realized that I'm being hippocrital This post is about tourist visa. NEVER-MIND.

Just to clarify a tourist visa is a nonimmigrant visa requested by a foreign national to go to the U.S. for a short term purpose.听 The state dept has a lot of discretion and is answering someone who has pretty much no rights if denied.听 听An immigrant visa is first adjudicated at the request of a U.S. citizen, Lawful Permanent resident or a legal entity in the U.S. by the U.S. Citizen and Immigration Service based on a petition.听 听The State Dept then takes a application for the immigrant visa from the beneficiary based on the approval of a petition and determines if the validity of the petitioner and beneficiaries request and eligibility for the immigrant visa.听 听 Denial of a IV is more formal and allows for an appeal.听